News What would probably be the most impactful steps to stop seal bashing?

[Proton Soup]

As for what you can do, raising money for organizations fighting this practice is the most effective use of your time, probably. 'Raising awareness' does nothing. Money does.

money does what exactly?

 

[Evo]

Can someone provide a rational reason that clubbing 12 day old seals to death is necessary?

 

[DaveC426913]

Can someone provide a rational reason that clubbing 12 day old seals to death is necessary?

'Necessary' is not an operative word here. It is not 'necessary' to have an internet or bars, or SUVs. We have them because that is an economy, that is humankind, that is the world.

We hunt seals because it is part of the economy and for many other reasons.

Your question is so incredibly leading that it cannot be answered logically.

 

[MotoH]

Can someone provide a rational reason that clubbing 12 day old seals to death is necessary?

Evo seriously. Did you not read my post or are you just coming in here blind? They have to be at least 1 year old before they can be harvested. It is international law.

I would have no problem telling anyone that I think clubbing seals is fine. Please view my post as to how clubbing seals is humane as physically possible for the people doing it.

It is truly amazing the amount of blind obedience that people have on certain topics.

I will come out and say this right now. Clubbing seals is perfectly fine. I 100% support the seal harvest because it is ethical and there are strict laws in place that keep the seal population in check and keep hunters from harvesting juvenile seals. You know what would happen if we didn't harvest seals? Overpopulation. You know what happens then? They starve to death. Is starving a seal to death far more humane than a swift death?

 

[Evo]

Evo seriously. Did you not read my post or are you just coming in here blind? They have to be at least 1 year old before they can be harvested. It is international law.

According to the CBC article I posted it is legal to club seals over 12 days old in Canada. You posted no link. Please link to the Canadian law that does not allow this.

Again, I ask, can someone provide a rational reason that clubbing 12 day old seals to death is necessary? This has nothing to do with being for or against a hunt, just justify why the killing has to be so uncontrolled and brutal.

 

[DaveC426913]

According to the CBC article I posted it is legal to club seals over 12 days old in Canada.

Would you mind explaining why something must be necessary in order for it to be done in a free market economy on a free planet?

It is not necessary to raise cows for meat, yet we do. It is not necessary to manufacture Lambourgini Countach's but we do. The list is unbounded.

 

[MotoH]

It's 1 year old. They can't have their white fur. I know this for a fact because I have talked with many a fisherman who seal hunts in his off time.

It is extremely hard to get an unbiased article on the internet.
A) if you look at any of the "humane" websites, they say seal hunting is so gosh darn horrible how could anyone do this oh my gosh murderers!
or B) seal hunting is completely ethical the seals don't feel a thing the seals need this to survive.

So you can't really get an accurate look at what seal hunting really is until you either try it yourself (which I would like to partake in. I'll hunt anything) or you talk to the people who do it for part of their living.

Don't bash(get it?) anything until you have tried it for yourself. I don't go around saying "eww i don't want to eat that it will taste gross!" before I have even tried it. So why should you go and say seal hunting is inhumane when you haven't even done it?

 

[Evo]

It's 1 year old. They can't have their white fur. I know this for a fact because I have talked with many a fisherman who seal hunts in his off time.

That's what I thought, you don't know what you are talking about. The baby seals lose their white coat in 12-14 days. After that it is legal to kill them.

Please don't post if you don't know what you are talking about, we have rules against that.

 

[Phrak]

Don't bash(get it?) anything until you have tried it for yourself.

Perfectly understandable. That's why I don't bash serial killers and such.

 

[MotoH]

That's what I thought, you don't know what you are talking about. The baby seals lose their white coat in 12-14 days. After that it is legal to kill them.

Please don't post if you don't know what you are talking about, we have rules against that.

And you do know what you are talking about? All you have posted is some dribble about how killing seals is bad. You don't even want to see the other side of the story. I am willing to listen to your points for the saving of the seals if you don't come off with a huge bias as you have already.

I am not even going to touch on the PM, trying to silence me? Grow up.

 

[Phrak]

And by the way, isn't there something odd about the title of this thread?

"What would probably be the most impactful steps to stop seal bashing?"
or,
What would probably be the most bashing steps to stop seal bashing?

 

[DaveC426913]

[ Post updated ]
Government of Canada backs up Evo.
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/seal-phoque/faq-eng.htm#q9

Seals cannot be legally hunted until they have moulted their first coats and are living independently from their mothers. Seals are not usually hunted until they reach the "beater" stage of development at around 25 days old.

 

[Evo]

And you do know what you are talking about? All you have posted is some dribble about how killing seals is bad. You don't even want to see the other side of the story. I am willing to listen to your points for the saving of the seals if you don't come off with a huge bias as you have already.

I am not even going to touch on the PM, trying to silence me? Grow up.

Yes, I do. I have researched it.

Your refusal to adhere to guidelines and your attitude are in violation of our guidelines. It wasn't a PM, too bad you didn't read it.

You're going on vacation, hopefully you will be enlightened when you return.

 

[dotman]

I don't think anyone in this thread actually advocates clubbing to death a month old seal. If they do, they haven't said so explicitly. I think they are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

This thread was locked; it should be again. No one is offering useful advice to the OP at this point.

 

[Proton Soup]

According to the CBC article I posted it is legal to club seals over 12 days old in Canada. You posted no link. Please link to the Canadian law that does not allow this.

Again, I ask, can someone provide a rational reason that clubbing 12 day old seals to death is necessary? This has nothing to do with being for or against a hunt, just justify why the killing has to be so uncontrolled and brutal.

they probably have the thickest and warmest fur when they are very young and haven't yet accumulated much fat. if still white, it would make for decent camouflage.

as for the "brutality", a heavy bash to the skull should make for a swift death. it just evokes a strong emotional reaction, is all.

 

[Proton Soup]

I don't think anyone in this thread actually advocates clubbing to death a month old seal. If they do, they haven't said so explicitly. I think they are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

This thread was locked; it should be again. No one is offering useful advice to the OP at this point.

well, that's your opinion. i thought my idea was brilliant. and I'm not even against clubbing seals. it's no different than using cows for shoe leather to me. only thing is, i think they shouldn't waste all that meat.

as for your idea, I'm still waiting. it seemed to be giving money to raise awareness, yet you think simply raising awareness is pointless.

 

[dotman]

as for the "brutality", a heavy bash to the skull should make for a swift death. it just evokes a strong emotional reaction, is all.

Being hit in the head with a club is not a swift death. But you're missing the point. They don't hit the seals in the head to kill them. They hit them in the head to stun them enough that the seals don't squirm around while they skin them. Alive.

It's a brutal practice, and should be stopped.

 

[Evo]

This thread is going nowhere. Closed.