What wrong with Lorent transformation here?

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The discussion revolves around the application of Lorentz transformations in a thought experiment involving two trains: a larger train traveling around the Earth and a smaller train inside it moving in the opposite direction. Participants explore the implications of relativistic time dilation as observed from different frames of reference.

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  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario where a larger train moves around the Earth while a smaller train inside it moves in the opposite direction, raising questions about the application of Lorentz transformations.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the setup of the scenario, confirming the relative motions of the two trains.
  • A third participant argues that the addition of the inner train does not change the relativistic effects already present, suggesting that time dilation effects remain consistent regardless of the inner train's presence.

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Participants express differing views on whether the introduction of the smaller train alters the application of Lorentz transformations, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully explore the implications of the relative speeds and frames of reference, leaving some assumptions and definitions unaddressed.

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Say we build a train that can travels revolve Earth continuously. And inside the train there is another smaller train that also revolves Earth but travels in opposite direction with the bigger train.

The problems is: relative to observer on earth, the bigger train is under L.transformation but not the smaller one. Hence the time in bigger train seems slower but not the smaller train. But for the observer on the bigger train, the smaller train is undergo another L.transformation, hence the smaller train's time should be slower.

The speed of the smaller train should cancel the L.transformation relative to earth, hence where the time clock of the train should I refer to?

Is there something wrong?
 
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Let me get this straight. We have two trains, a larger train traveling with a constant velocity (relative to the Earth's surface) anti-clockwise around the Earth (for the sake of argument); and a smaller train, inside the larger train, traveling at the same velocity (relative to the larger train) but in the opposite direction to the larger train. Is this correct?
 
Yup. Thank you Hootenanny, my english is just...
 
I don't see a problem. Without the "inner train", an observor on Earth would see time running more slowly on the train while an observor on the train would see time running more slowly on the earth. Adding the "inner train" doesn't present anything new- it's just part of the Earth fram of reference.
 

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