WHat's an easier way to set up this integral?

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The problem involves finding the area outside the polar curve r = 2cosθ and inside the circle r = 1. The original poster expresses concern about the complexity of their approach to setting up the integral for this area calculation.

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  • Participants discuss various methods for calculating the area, including the original poster's breakdown of the integral into segments based on different curves. Some participants question whether the area of the circle r = 1 should simply be subtracted from the area of the curve r = 2cosθ.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering different perspectives on how to set up the integral. Some suggest alternative formulations that may simplify the process, while others express confusion about the original poster's approach and the exclusion of certain areas.

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There is a mention of the original poster's realization regarding the area being cut off and the implications of the chosen limits for the integral. The context of the problem involves polar coordinates and the geometric interpretation of the curves involved.

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Homework Statement



I think I overdid this. Find area outside of the polar curve r = 2cosθ and inside r = 1


The Attempt at a Solution



http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/2558/44170022.jpg

It is the black region.

Here is what I did.

1) Find area of the semi-circle of r = 2cosθ
2) Find area of r = 2cosθ from 0 to π/3
3) Find area of r = 1 from π/3 to π/2

Do some geometry

Then the integral should be

Area = [tex]\int_{\frac{\pi}{3}}^\frac{\pi}{2} \frac{1}{2} \mathrm{d}\theta - \int_{0}^\frac{\pi}{2} \frac{1}{2} (2\cos\theta)^2 \mathrm{d}\theta + \int_{0}^\frac{\pi}{3} \frac{1}{2} (2\cos\theta)^2 \mathrm{d}\theta[/tex]

But this took quit a lot of work. Is there, in general, anyway to get around that curve?
 
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By the way, the answer turned out positive. Which was good
 
I'm not sure I entirely understand the question, but shouldn't you consider the area of the r = 1 circle minus the area of the r = 2cos\theta circle?
 
Note that
\begin{align*}
A &= \int_{\frac{\pi}{3}}^\frac{\pi}{2} \frac{1}{2} \,d\theta -
\int_0^\frac{\pi}{2} \frac{1}{2} (2\cos\theta)^2 \,d\theta +
\int_0^\frac{\pi}{3} \frac{1}{2} (2\cos\theta)^2 \,d\theta \\
&= \int_{\frac{\pi}{3}}^\frac{\pi}{2} \frac{1}{2} \,d\theta -
\left[\int_0^\frac{\pi}{2} \frac{1}{2} (2\cos\theta)^2 \,d\theta -
\int_0^\frac{\pi}{3} \frac{1}{2} (2\cos\theta)^2 \,d\theta\right] \\
&= \int_{\frac{\pi}{3}}^\frac{\pi}{2} \frac{1}{2} \,d\theta -
\int_\frac{\pi}{3}^\frac{\pi}{2} \frac{1}{2} (2\cos\theta)^2 \,d\theta \\
&= \frac{1}{2} \int_{\frac{\pi}{3}}^\frac{\pi}{2} [1 - (2\cos\theta)^2] \,d\theta
\end{align*}
By the way, is there a reason you're excluding the area in quadrants II through IV?
 
vela said:
Note that
\begin{align*}
A &= \int_{\frac{\pi}{3}}^\frac{\pi}{2} \frac{1}{2} \,d\theta -
\int_0^\frac{\pi}{2} \frac{1}{2} (2\cos\theta)^2 \,d\theta +
\int_0^\frac{\pi}{3} \frac{1}{2} (2\cos\theta)^2 \,d\theta \\
&= \int_{\frac{\pi}{3}}^\frac{\pi}{2} \frac{1}{2} \,d\theta -
\left[\int_0^\frac{\pi}{2} \frac{1}{2} (2\cos\theta)^2 \,d\theta -
\int_0^\frac{\pi}{3} \frac{1}{2} (2\cos\theta)^2 \,d\theta\right] \\
&= \int_{\frac{\pi}{3}}^\frac{\pi}{2} \frac{1}{2} \,d\theta -
\int_\frac{\pi}{3}^\frac{\pi}{2} \frac{1}{2} (2\cos\theta)^2 \,d\theta \\
&= \frac{1}{2} \int_{\frac{\pi}{3}}^\frac{\pi}{2} [1 - (2\cos\theta)^2] \,d\theta
\end{align*}
By the way, is there a reason you're excluding the area in quadrants II through IV?

Nope...but i just realize that was what the question was asking...

So that integral translates to (I may as well continue with this approach, as going from pi/3 to -pi/3 won't make a difference with what my problem with this question is)

[tex]\int_{2\cos\theta}^{1}\int_{\frac{\pi}{3}}^{\frac{\pi}{2}} r\mathrm{dr}\mathrm{d\theta}[/tex]

But this doesn't make sense because

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/979/60638227.jpg

Basically the green line is the line θ = π/3. The black area is what is the actual area and the red area is what got cut off and that red area is INSIDE the curve r = 2cosθ
 
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Perhaps it makes more sense to you if you write it as
\begin{align*}
A &= \int_{\frac{\pi}{3}}^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \int_{2\cos\theta}^1 r \,dr\,d\theta \\
&= \int_{\frac{\pi}{3}}^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \left[\int_0^1 r \,dr - \int_0^{2\cos\theta}r \,dr\right]d\theta \\
&= \int_{\frac{\pi}{3}}^{\frac{\pi}{2}}\int_0^1 r \,dr\,d\theta - \int_{\frac{\pi}{3}}^{\frac{\pi}{2}}\int_0^{2\cos \theta}r \,dr\,d\theta
\end{align*}
 
[itex]2cos(\theta)= 1[/itex] at [itex]\theta= \pi/3[/itex] so that integral is just
[tex]\int_{\pi/3}^{\pi/2} 1- 2cos(\theta) d\theta[/tex]

That's assuming you want to stop as the positive y-axis as your picture shows.
 
vela said:
Perhaps it makes more sense to you if you write it as
\begin{align*}
A &= \int_{\frac{\pi}{3}}^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \int_{2\cos\theta}^1 r \,dr\,d\theta \\
&= \int_{\frac{\pi}{3}}^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \left[\int_0^1 r \,dr - \int_0^{2\cos\theta}r \,dr\right]d\theta \\
&= \int_{\frac{\pi}{3}}^{\frac{\pi}{2}}\int_0^1 r \,dr\,d\theta - \int_{\frac{\pi}{3}}^{\frac{\pi}{2}}\int_0^{2\cos \theta}r \,dr\,d\theta
\end{align*}

Woaw, I feel like such an idiot for not seeing that in the first place.

I also figured out that if I had drawn a ray (past the line pi/3, and close to pi/2), I could've set up that double integral without all that mess I created

Thanks y'all
 

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