What’s the difference between TIQM and Time Symmetric QM? (a

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differences and similarities between the Transactional Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics (TIQM) and Time Symmetric Quantum Mechanics (TSQM), both of which involve the concept of retrocausality. Participants explore theoretical aspects and seek clarification on these interpretations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that TIQM and TSQM both utilize retrocausality, but there is uncertainty about the extent of their similarities.
  • One participant notes that TSQM claims to be local, while TIQM claims to be non-local, suggesting a fundamental difference in their approaches.
  • A participant mentions that TIQM and TSQM exploit a similar loophole in explaining quantum mechanics but believes they are not the same.
  • Another participant expresses their ongoing exploration of related insights and acknowledges the complexity of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the similarities and differences between TIQM and TSQM, indicating that multiple competing views remain regarding their interpretations and implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference external insights and articles on retrocausality, suggesting that there may be additional interpretations or nuances not fully explored in the discussion.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in quantum mechanics interpretations, retrocausality, and the philosophical implications of time in physics may find this discussion relevant.

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I have a few questions about interpretations that use retrocausality. I only know of 2.

1. TIQM - Transactional Interpretation of QM by John Cramer 1986
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactional_interpretation
2. TSQM - Time Symmetric QM by Huw Price
https://aeon.co/essays/can-retrocausality-solve-the-puzzle-of-action-at-a-distance

I have my own ideas of how these might work. But I’m still trying to figure this out. I’m hoping y’all can help me take a shortcut. So I have a few questions:

1. I assume TIQM and TSQM are similar in that they both use retrocausality. Am I assuming too much?
2. What’s the main difference between TIQM and TSQM?
3. Are there any other interpretations with retrocausality?
 
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thenewmans said:
I have a few questions about interpretations that use retrocausality. I only know of 2.

1. TIQM - Transactional Interpretation of QM by John Cramer 1986
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactional_interpretation
2. TSQM - Time Symmetric QM by Huw Price
https://aeon.co/essays/can-retrocausality-solve-the-puzzle-of-action-at-a-distance

I have my own ideas of how these might work. But I’m still trying to figure this out. I’m hoping y’all can help me take a shortcut. So I have a few questions:

1. I assume TIQM and TSQM are similar in that they both use retrocausality. Am I assuming too much?
2. What’s the main difference between TIQM and TSQM?
3. Are there any other interpretations with retrocausality?

Here is a PF Insight I wrote on retrocausality https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/retrocausality/ . There are some other programs referenced therein.
 
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thenewmans said:
What’s the main difference between TIQM and TSQM?
Without really understand either, I see that TSQM claims to be local, whereas TIQM claims non local.
 
There is a sometime poster in PhysicsForums, @rkastner, who has written several posts about TI. I don't think that the two (TIQM and TSQM) are the same, even though they exploit a similar loophole in explaining the mysteries of quantum mechanics.
 
I'm still working my way through RUTA's insights article. Looks like no shortcuts for me. I'll add @rkastner to my reading list. Thanks!
 

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