What's the direction of induced emf here?

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The discussion revolves around the direction of induced electromotive force (emf) in a conductor moving in a magnetic field, particularly focusing on the interaction between Faraday's law of induction and Ohm's law. Participants explore the implications of these laws when applied to a rod moving on parallel rails, considering both insulating and conducting scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the induced emf in a conducting rod compared to an insulating rod, questioning the direction of voltage across the rod when a voltmeter is attached.
  • Another participant distinguishes between the emf derived from Faraday's law and the voltage drop described by Ohm's law, suggesting a conceptual mix-up.
  • A third participant proposes that considering positive charge carriers simplifies understanding the direction of emf, asserting that the emf is directed from point b to point a through the rod, resulting in a positive potential at a relative to b.
  • This participant further explains that the induced emf leads to a charge imbalance, creating an electric field that influences the motion of charge carriers within the rod.
  • They also introduce a relationship between emf, potential difference (p.d.), and resistive effects, suggesting that under certain conditions, the magnitudes of these quantities can be equal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the clarity of the concepts discussed. There is a mix of perspectives on the relationship between induced emf and voltage drop, with some participants providing explanations while others seek further clarification.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the behavior of charge carriers and the conditions under which the relationships between emf, potential difference, and resistance hold true. Specific mathematical steps and definitions are not fully resolved.

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This thing has confused me for long .I have not come across any satisfactory answers on my own or while browsing through the internet.
Everybody has seen the example of a rod moving while on parallel rails, with magnetic field perpendicular to the plane of loop formed by rod and rails.
When the rod is an insulator, no current flows,direction of induced emf is easily understood.
Now, consider the case in which rod is an conductor with some resistance . The induced emf across the rod according to faraday's law and voltage across it according to v = IR are in opposing directions.
As,shown in the thumb nail ,if i attatch voltmeter across ab(Va-Vb) ends will it be positive ?
if yes, then explain how drop caused by IR is not negative acrosss ab?
 

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You're confusing the Emf that comes from Faraday's law of induction with a voltage drop that comes from Ohms law.
 
It removes one annoying complication to suppose that the charge carriers in the conductor are positive rather than negative. Having mastered the argument in terms of positive carriers, you can then adapt it to negative carriers.

The emf is in the direction b to a through the rod (that is counterclockwise around the circuit as drawn). This is because the carriers are forced through the rod in the direction b to a, and during their passage work is done on them, indirectly by means of the work done by the external agency pushing the rod to the right, mediated by the magnetic field.

a is at a positive potential relative to b. It is easy to understand this by imagining cd to be open-circuit. Then positive carriers will pile up at the top end of the rod, leaving the bottom end negatively charged. The p.d. arises from from the charge imbalance. The consequent potential gradient across the rod means there is a downward electric field and a downward force on the charge carriers. [Within a split second of starting to move the rod, this force will balance the upward magnetic force and the carriers will stop moving up the rod.]

If cd is not open-circuit, then a will still be at a positive potential relative to b. This is because if we move the rod at a steady speed, carriers will quickly reach a terminal velocity, when there is no net force on them. For a carrier inside the rod, this will be when…

Magnetic force – Electric field force – resistive force due to collisions = 0

[Strictly these 'forces' are magnitudes of forces; the directions are taken care of by the signs. Sorry of this is considered poor form; I don't know how au fait the original poster is with vector notation.]

Multiplying each term by the rod length (to get the work done on a charge carrier moving through the whole rod), and dividing by the charge on a carrier, we get

EMF – PD – Ir = 0

Here r is the rod resistance. If it's negligible, then |p.d. between a and b| = |emf|.

Outside the rod there is no emf and p.d - IR = 0

in which R is the resistance of the outside circuit, bcda.
 
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You haven't said if you're any clearer. Are you?
 

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