What's the relation between SUSY Generators and Covariant Derivatives?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the SUSY generators \( Q_\alpha, \overline{Q}_{\dot{\beta}} \) and the covariant derivatives \( D_\alpha, \overline{D}_{\dot{\beta}} \) in the context of superspace representation. Participants explore the theoretical implications, notational challenges, and geometric interpretations of these operators.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the distinction between the SUSY generators and covariant derivatives, noting their similar forms and asking why one is labeled as a generator while the other is a covariant derivative.
  • Another participant acknowledges the notational complexity of the topic and expresses intent to clarify the origins and meanings of the operators.
  • A participant mentions that the covariant derivatives are 'covariant' because they (anti)commute with the SUSY generators, but seeks to understand this in the context of Riemannian geometry.
  • Reference to Lykken's lectures suggests that flat superspace may have torsion despite lacking curvature, raising questions about the nature of connection terms in the SUSY covariant derivative.
  • Discussion includes the observation that the covariant derivatives in the Grassmann directions contain spacetime derivatives, prompting inquiries about their interpretation as connections.
  • One participant explains that the SUSY generator \( Q \) acts on superfields and interchanges components, emphasizing the need for derivatives in actions to maintain non-trivial dynamics and SUSY transformations.
  • Another participant suggests that the geometric interpretation of the SUSY covariant derivative is linked to vielbeins in flat superspace, which introduces additional terms in the covariant derivatives.
  • References to various texts are provided for further insights into the nature of SUSY covariant derivatives and their geometric implications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature and interpretation of the SUSY generators and covariant derivatives, indicating that multiple competing perspectives exist and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of notation and the need for careful consideration of definitions. The discussion touches on unresolved aspects of the mathematical framework, particularly regarding the role of torsion and connection terms in the context of superspace.

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Hello once again. I'm trying to understand the relation between the superspace representation of the SUSY generators Q_\alpha,\overline Q_{\dot\beta} and the covariant derivatives on superspaces D_\alpha, \overline D_{\dot\beta}:

Q_\alpha = \frac{\partial}{\partial\theta^\alpha} - i\sigma^{\mu}_{\phantom\mu\alpha\dot\alpha}\overline\theta^{\dot\alpha}\partial_\mu
\overline Q_{\dot\alpha} = \frac{\partial}{\partial\overline\theta^{\dot\alpha}} - i\theta^\alpha\sigma^{\mu}_{\phantom\mu\alpha\dot\alpha}\partial_\mu
D_\alpha = \frac{\partial}{\partial\theta^\alpha} + i\sigma^{\mu}_{\phantom\mu\alpha\dot\alpha}\overline\theta^{\dot\alpha}\partial_\mu
\overline D_{\dot\alpha} = -\frac{\partial}{\partial\theta^\alpha} - i\sigma^{\mu}_{\phantom\mu\alpha\dot\alpha}\overline\theta^{\dot\alpha}\partial_\mu

These look very similar. The difference between the Qs and the D is the sign of their anticommutators:

\{Q_\alpha,\overline Q_{\dot\alpha}\} = +2i\sigma^\mu_{\phantom\mu\alpha\dot\alpha}\partial_\mu = -2\sigma^{\mu}_{\phantom\mu\alpha\dot\alpha}P_\mu
\{D_\alpha,\overline D_{\dot\alpha}\} = -2i\sigma^\mu_{\phantom\mu\alpha\dot\alpha}\partial_\mu = +2\sigma^{\mu}_{\phantom\mu\alpha\dot\alpha}P_\mu

My question is this: we have two pairs of differential operators which both induce a motion in superspace. Both pairs of operators transform appropriately under Lorentz transformations. Why is it, then, that one pair of operators get called the generators of the symmetry while the other set get called the covariant derivatives?

Could we have swapped them, so that we call the Q's the covariant derivatives and the D's the SUSY generators?

Wess & Bagger Chapter IV suggests that this has something to do with left- and right-multiplication... but it's not clear to me what the significance of this is.

I'm struggling to find an analogy for this. For gauge symmetries we never talk about the gauge covariant derivative and a differential representation of the gauge symmetry generators. For translations in flat space we never talk about the momentum generator versus the translation covariant derivative.

How are the Qs and Ds related and why is one considered a generator while the other a covariant derivative? (And what does this all have to do with right- and left- multiplication?)
 
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You are asking very good questions, It is shameful that they received no answers! Soon, I will provide you with "clear" answer(s)!

Basically, your questions are

1) Where do the operators (D, \bar{D}) come from?
2) Why are they called "covariant" derivatives?

I said SOON because the subject suffers from illness called "notational nightmare" :smile:
but I will try to be as careful as I possibly can.

regards

sam
 
Thanks Sam! I eagerly await your reply.

I understand now that the D's are 'covariant' in the sense of (anti)commuting with the Q's... but I don't understand what this means from a, say, Riemannian geometry perspective. (I.e. thinking of the covariant derivative in terms of parallel transport.)

-Joe
 
Lykken's SUSY lectures (hep-th/9612114) say a few words about this, see equations (55) and (56) on page 17. It's still a little vague to me; the point seems that flat superspace may have no curvature, but it still has torsion. Thus the vielbeins are non-trivial even in the flat case. In this sense I suppose the `connection' terms in the SUSY covariant derivative are something like the spin connection?

(Though it's a bit confusing because these terms are still proportional to a spacetime derivative, so it doesn't appear to really be a connection term.)

Wess and Bagger also say a few words that seem related (page 102-103 and the following section), but I'm still having trouble applying this to the form of the covariant derivative.

In other words, why is it that in 8 dimensional superspace (4 spacetime dim, 4 grassmann dim) the covariant derivatives in the grassman directions contain spacetime derivatives as well. Are these terms connections? If so, why do they have spacetime derivatives? What does this have to do with the differential forms in Wess and Bagger?

Cheers,
Joe
 
When Q acts on a the most general function on superspace (superfield) Y = \phi + \bar\theta \psi + \bar\theta\theta F then it interchanges \phi and \psi (I'm ignoring the auxiliary field now), which is a SUSY transformation if you build your action out of superfields. Since you want non-trivial dynamics, your action better have derivatives. And since you want to preserve the SUSY transformation, your derivatives better commute with SUSY transformations (I say commute, because a SUSY transformation takes a grassmann parameter multiplied by Q)

SUSY generators are a bit funny though, since they aren't really all that democratic.
 
Thanks for the reply. There is further insight in on the nature of the SUSY covariant derivative in a few of the older books on SUSY/SUGRA, but it appears to be hidden in sections about differential forms. The point, I believe, that that the [differential] geometric interpretation of the SUSY covariant derivative is closely related to the vielbeins on flat superspace. This, in turn, is based on the formalism of differential forms which then translates to supergravity.

In an attempt to summarize, the point is that flat/rigid superspace has no curvature -- so there is no connection term in the covariant derivative. *However,* the space *does* have torsion, thus the vielbeins are nontrivial. (This is essentially what Lykken says in words.) Thus one has to consider the spin connection, where the vielbeins introduce the extra terms in the theta and theta-bar covariant derivatives.

References that I found useful are section 14.2 of West's SUSY & SUGRA book (that's relative to the 1st edition numbering), the analogous section for differential forms in Srivastava's book, and chapter 1 of Gieres' "Lecture Notes in Physics" book, "Geometry of Supersymmetric Gauge Theories."
 

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