What's wrong with my integration for the work-energy theorem?

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The discussion revolves around an integral related to the work-energy theorem in physics, specifically transitioning from the expression ∫mv/√(1-v^2/c^2)dv to -mc^2(1-v^2/c^2). Participants are examining the steps involved in this integration process.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various approaches to the integral, including potential substitutions like U-substitution and the chain rule. There is also mention of squaring terms to simplify the expression, as well as questioning the correctness of the original statement regarding the integral.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on substitution methods and have noted the importance of checking assumptions about the integral's correctness. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches, with no explicit consensus reached on the best method.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of missing information, such as a potential square root in the result of the integral and the need for a constant of integration, which are under discussion but not resolved.

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I'm having trouble with an integral involved in deriving the work-energy theorem

Homework Statement



I'm trying to get from ∫mv/√(1-v^2/c^2)dv to -mc^2(1-v^2/c^2).

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I start out by putting gamma on top to yield: ∫mv(1-v^2/c^2)^-1/2, then I square everything to get rid of the square root term and end up with: ∫m^2 v^2 - m^2 v^2 (v^2/c^2)dv, and then to get rid of the fractions I end up with: ∫c^2 m^2 v^2 - m^2 v^4dv, which, when I try to integrate, gets me no where close to the answer. What am I doing wrong? Should I be doing a U-substitution or chain rule?
 
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DiracPool said:
I'm having trouble with an integral involved in deriving the work-energy theorem
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I'm trying to get from ∫mv/√(1-v^2/c^2)dv to -mc^2(1-v^2/c^2).
Here, let me help,
$$\int \frac{mv}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}\;dv \rightarrow -mc^2\left(1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}\right) $$... you are trying to work the maths from the LHS to the RHS.
Should I be doing a U-substitution or chain rule?
... yes :)

try ##u=v/c## to start with.
 
Simon Bridge said:
Here, let me help,
$$\int \frac{mv}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}\;dv \rightarrow -mc^2\left(1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}\right) $$... you are trying to work the maths from the LHS to the RHS.
... yes :)

try ##u=v/c## to start with.

Ok, now I see.. If I take U=1-v^2/c^2, then I get dU/dx=-2v/c^2, and then just follow the protocol, and sure enough, there's the right answer.

Thanks Simon!
 
Well done - you usually want to look for some sort of substitution for the bit that gives you problems.
Don't be frightened to try several different ones.

Since you will be doing a lot of this, it is best practice to learn LaTeX :)
 
To be fair one should say that the original statement is not correct. There's a square root missing in the given result of the integral!
 
Also, since the integral on the left is an indefinite integral, there should be an added "constant of integration". What you are trying to prove simply isn't true!
 

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