Wheeler's Mutability principle and multiple universes?

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The discussion centers around John A. Wheeler's "Principle of mutability" and its implications for the nature of the universe, particularly regarding the possibility of multiple co-existing universes with varying fundamental laws. Participants explore the relevance of this principle in light of current cosmological theories, including the Big Crunch and conformal cyclic cosmology.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants find Wheeler's principle of mutability intriguing and inquire about its further development by physicists, particularly regarding multiple co-existing universes.
  • One participant argues that the Big Crunch scenario has been largely ruled out due to observations indicating that the universe's expansion is accelerating, referencing the work of Perlmutter and Riess.
  • Another participant mentions Penrose's theory of conformal cyclic cosmology as a speculative alternative to the Big Crunch, while expressing skepticism about the assumptions underlying the ΛCDM model.
  • There is a contention regarding the relationship between the ΛCDM model and inflation, with one participant asserting that the model does not necessarily claim inflation precedes the Big Bang, while another suggests that the model's foundation is not solid due to competing theories.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the Big Crunch scenario and the assumptions of the ΛCDM model. There is no consensus on the implications of Wheeler's principle or the status of cosmological models, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the current understanding of cosmological models, including dependence on assumptions and the speculative nature of alternative theories. The discussion reflects the complexity and evolving nature of cosmological theories.

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Is there any model in theoretical physics combining Wheeler's "Principle of mutability" and multiverses?
Physicist John A Wheeler proposed the "Principle of mutability" which said that it could be the case that the universe would eventually shrink in a "Big Crunch" and the be re-born in another Big Bang. He proposed that the laws of physics (even the considered most fundamental ones) would change and therefore, between cycles, we could have completely different universes.

I find this approach very interesting and I was wondering if any physicists have further developed this model? Specifically, I was wondering if there are any physicists that have proposed that there are multiple co-existing universes, which their most "fundamental" laws (not only effective laws) would change due to Wheeler's principle of mutability. Are there any?
 
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Suekdccia said:
I find this approach very interesting and I was wondering if any physicists have further developed this model?
The Big Crunch has been pretty much ruled out in concordance cosmology. The Perlmutter and Riess observations that the universal expansion is accelerating not slowing down (since corroborated through other observations) pretty much did it in.

FYI you might want to check out Penrose's successor theory of conformal cyclic cosmology. It is all highly speculative, though I would say ΛCDM rests on a couple massive assumptions.
 
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sunrah said:
The Big Crunch has been pretty much ruled out in concordance cosmology. The Perlmutter and Riess observations that the universal expansion is accelerating not slowing down (since corroborated through other observations) pretty much did it in.

FYI you might want to check out Penrose's successor theory of conformal cyclic cosmology. It is all highly speculative, though I would say ΛCDM rests on a couple massive assumptions.
I would say that LCDM is solid, but it rests upon inflation, which rests on some massive assumptions...
 
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Jorrie said:
LCDM is solid, but it rests upon inflation

I don't think that is the case. The LCDM model, by itself, does not claim that inflation is what came before the Big Bang (the hot, dense, rapidly expanding state that is the earliest state of the universe for which we have good evidence). That claim is an extension to the LCDM model, and not the only possible one.
 
Yea, I suppose it may be better to say that LCDM modeling is solid, but its original hot, dense, low entropy origin is not, due to many competing models.
 

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