When acceleration and velocity vectors on the same graph.

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The discussion revolves around the representation of acceleration and velocity vectors on a two-dimensional coordinate system, specifically examining their directions and the resulting physical phenomena. Participants explore various scenarios where the acceleration vector points in different directions relative to a constant velocity vector, discussing implications for motion and real-life examples.

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  • One participant describes a scenario where the acceleration vector points northeast while the velocity vector points directly east, questioning what this represents in real life.
  • Another participant suggests that this situation could occur in various contexts, such as a vehicle turning while maintaining speed or a hovercraft affected by wind, emphasizing the need to resolve acceleration into components.
  • Examples are provided where acceleration pointing west while velocity points east results in a decrease in speed, while acceleration pointing north with eastward velocity leads to a change in direction without increasing speed.
  • One participant clarifies that acceleration affects both the magnitude and direction of the momentum vector, providing examples of how different acceleration directions influence motion over time.
  • Another participant presents trajectories of two objects with the same acceleration but different directional accelerations, prompting further discussion on the implications of these trajectories.
  • Participants express understanding of how acceleration affects direction and speed, with some confirming their grasp of the concepts presented.
  • There is a mention of plotting the vectors and trajectories using software, indicating a practical approach to visualizing the discussed concepts.

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Participants generally agree on the effects of acceleration on velocity and direction, but there are nuances in understanding specific scenarios, particularly regarding the implications of acceleration direction on speed and trajectory. Some statements are contested, particularly regarding the constancy of velocity in the presence of acceleration.

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Some assumptions about the nature of acceleration and its effects on velocity may not be fully articulated, and the discussion relies on the participants' interpretations of vector components and their physical meanings.

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So basically, on an x-y coordinate system, the acceleration vector is in between 0 degrees and 90 degrees pointing north east, and the velocity component is pointing directly east resting on the x-axis. I was wondering what phenomena this represents in real life and I was also wondering, with the velocity pointing east resting on the x-axis for the next cases, what would it look like when the acceleration is pointing northwest, southwest, and south east. Here are examples of what I know so far. When the acceleration vector is pointing directly west resting on the -x-axis, and when the velocity is pointing directly east resting on the +x-axis the speed of the object is slowing down. The other example is when the acceleration vector is pointing directly north resting on the +y-axis and when the velocity vector is pointing to the east resting on the +x-axis velocity is not increasing and is constant.

For my question I stated above, I know that we can break them apart into vector components i and j; however, I don't understand what that means in real life and what is going on.
 
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jlyu002@ucr.e said:
So basically, on an x-y coordinate system, the acceleration vector is in between 0 degrees and 90 degrees pointing north east, and the velocity component is pointing directly east resting on the x-axis. I was wondering what phenomena this represents in real life
Any situation where the applied force is not in the same direction as the velocity: take your pick.
eg. speeding up while going around a corner ... the instantaneous total acceleration will be the sum of centripetal and tangential accelerations ... in this example, the center of the turn is to the north at the instant described. You'd also get this from (say) a hovercraft traveling at a constant speed east while the wind blows from the south-west - pushing it off-course; or where a charged particle is fired at an angle to the electric field.
and I was also wondering, with the velocity pointing east resting on the x-axis for the next cases, what would it look like when the acceleration is pointing northwest, southwest, and south east.
You can work it out by resolving the acceleration vector against the E-W axis ... the N-S component will push it off line and the E-W component will speed it up or slow it down.
Here are examples of what I know so far. When the acceleration vector is pointing directly west resting on the -x-axis, and when the velocity is pointing directly east resting on the +x-axis the speed of the object is slowing down.
Well done!
The other example is when the acceleration vector is pointing directly north resting on the +y-axis and when the velocity vector is pointing to the east resting on the +x-axis velocity is not increasing and is constant.
This is not the case - you have already said that there is an acceleration so, by definition, the velocity cannot be constant.

What happens is that the object moves at the same speed to the East, but gains speed to the North.

Breaking into components is a handy way to analyse the effect of forces/accelerations on motion ... what the force does is change the magnitude and the direction of the momentum vector.

A simple example ... the object moves to the east with constant speed ... then a force is applied producing an acceleration to the west. Initially the object slows down... then it stops ... then it heads off to the west, picking up speed.

If the same force is applied, but always north-west, then the object drifts to the north and slows down, changing direction and speed until it is traveling north-west and picking up speed.

If the same force is applied due north, then the object travels on a parabolic path towards the north... the rate of travel in the easterly direction is not affected.
 
Here's an example of two cases...
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These are the trajectories of two objects both experiencing the same acceleration (0.2cm.s-2) from the same initial velocity (2.0cm.s-1 E) and sampled at 1/4 second intervals over 20 seconds. Both objects start out at the origin. +y is North and +x is East. Axis are labelled in centimeters.

The blue object is accelerating NW while the green one is accelerating due N.
 

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Woah! Thanks!
 
Everything else is pretty clear; however, for the situation in which the acceleration points north and the velocity points east, does that mean only direction is changing? Because there is no j component for velocity and an only i component.
 
oooo i get it. There is an acceleration pointing up. therefore the object traveling in the positive direction is being forced upwards.
 
Yes! I get it!
 
That's right, it's the green one above.

Notice that the distance between circles gets bigger too? This means the total speed is increasing as well as the direction of travel changing.

The blue one has the force 45deg W of N ... as that angle gets closer to 90deg W of N, the curve gets tighter and sharper until, at 90deg W of N = due W, the object just doubles back on itself.
 
Cool, yeah as the velocity of the object turns into the direction of the acceleration it starts to speed up. Thanks so much Simon. Phew. Lastly, is the graph that you posted position vs time? I think it is because the slope of that graph represents velocity increasing. and the slope velocity increasing would be a constant upward acceleration. Nvm, figured it out. haha.
 
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You can plot these things yourself ... I used gnu/octave.
I had to resolve the vectors to components to compute x(t) and y(t) but I plotted (x,y).

Have fun.
 

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