When Do Span Intersections Equal Span of Intersections in Vector Spaces?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the span of the intersection of two subsets, S_1 and S_2, of a vector space, and the intersection of their spans. Participants are exploring the conditions under which the equality span(S_1 ∩ S_2) = span(S_1) ∩ span(S_2) holds true, particularly focusing on the implications of the subsets being vector spaces.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants conjecture that the equality holds if and only if both subsets are vector spaces. Others question this assumption and seek a proof for the "if and only if" condition. There is also a suggestion to consider specific examples to illustrate the conjecture.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants expressing differing views on the conjecture. Some have provided examples to challenge the initial assumptions, while others are prompted to clarify their understanding of the term "span" and its implications in this context. There is a call for more rigorous definitions and conditions to be included in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants are encouraged to define terms clearly and consider the implications of their conjectures. There is an acknowledgment that the definition of "span" and the case of the empty set may need to be addressed in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


S_1 and S_2 are subsets of a vector space. When is this:span(S_1 \cap S_2) = span(S_1) \cap span(S_2) true? Prove it.

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The Attempt at a Solution


conjecture: iff the two subsets are vector spaces.
 
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batballbat said:

Homework Statement


S_1 and S_2 are subsets of a vector space. When is this:span(S_1 \cap S_2) = span(S_1) \cap span(S_2) true? Prove it.

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution


conjecture: iff the two subsets are vector spaces.

It's true when both sides are subsets of each other.

Choose an arbitrary element in each set and show it belongs to the other set both ways.
 
sorry, but that is of no help. I am asking for a condition and a proof for "iff".
 
Well, what do you know and what have you tried? Do you know what "span" means?

Or do you just want someone to do the problem for you?
 
ok. please delete this post.
 
batballbat said:

Homework Statement


S_1 and S_2 are subsets of a vector space. When is this:span(S_1 \cap S_2) = span(S_1) \cap span(S_2) true? Prove it.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


conjecture: iff the two subsets are vector spaces.
It's easy to see that your guess is wrong. Let ##\{e_1,e_2\}## be the standard basis of ##\mathbb R^2##. Let ##S_1=\{e_1\}## and ##S_2=\{e_1,e_2\}##. We have $$\operatorname{span}S_1\cap\operatorname{span} S_2 =\operatorname{span}(S_1\cap S_2)$$ but neither ##S_1## nor ##S_2## is a subspace.

You will have to put in some effort of your own if you want help with the problem. In particular, you should include the definition of "span". Is ##\operatorname{span}\emptyset## defined?
 

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