T/F: Subset of a spanning set always forms a basis

In summary, the conversation discusses the statement that if a finite set of vectors spans a vector space, then some subset of the vectors is a basis. The "Spanning Set Theorem" supports this statement, but there is a question about whether this is always true, especially if the set of vectors only spans the trivial vector space. However, it is possible for a set of zero vectors to span the zero-dimensional vector space with an empty basis, but this is not a common or geometric interpretation. It is also noted that a set containing non-zero vectors cannot have a linear span of only zero vectors.
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T/F: If a finite set of vectors spans a vector space, then some subset of the vectors is a basis.

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It seems that the answer is true, due to the "Spanning Set Theorem," which says that we are allowed to remove vectors in a spanning set until we get a set that is linearly independent and thus forms a basis. However, what if our original set of vectors only spans the trivial vectors space ##\{ 0 \}##? In that case we can't form a basis, so wouldn't the answer to this question be false?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
However, what if our original set of vectors only spans the trivial vectors space ##\{ 0 \}?
This can only be the case, if all vectors in the set are ##\vec{0}##. Then the subset ##\{\}## spans ##\{0\}##.
 
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So in the problem statement, why can't we interpret that the finite set of vectors is a set of zero vectors?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
So in the problem statement, why can't we interpret that the finite set of vectors is a set of zero vectors?
Who says we can't? A set ##\{\vec{0},\vec{0},\vec{0},\vec{0},\ldots\}=\{\vec{0}\}## spans the zero dimensional vector space ##V=\{0\}## with the basis ##\{\}##. Of course this is on the edge of the definition and not very geometric, but it is allowed. And if you take away ##\vec{0}## from ##\{\vec{0}\}## you are left with the basis ##\{\}## of ##V=\{0\}##.

One cannot have some non-zero vectors and their (linear) span will turn out to be ##\{0\}##, because with every ##0 \neq \vec{v}## there will be at least all vectors ##\mathbb{R}\cdot \vec{v}## in the linear span of a set, that contains ##\vec{v}##.
(I chose ##\mathbb{R}## as the corresponding field for simplicity, but any other will work as well.)
 

1. What is a subset of a spanning set?

A subset of a spanning set is a set of vectors that is contained within a larger set of vectors that span the same vector space.

2. What does it mean for a subset to form a basis?

For a subset to form a basis, it must be linearly independent and span the entire vector space. This means that every vector in the vector space can be written as a linear combination of the vectors in the subset.

3. Is a subset of a spanning set always a basis?

No, a subset of a spanning set is not always a basis. It must satisfy the conditions of being linearly independent and spanning the entire vector space in order to be considered a basis.

4. Can a subset of a spanning set have fewer vectors than the original set?

Yes, a subset of a spanning set can have fewer vectors than the original set. As long as the subset is still linearly independent and spans the entire vector space, it can form a basis.

5. Is it possible for a subset of a spanning set to not form a basis?

Yes, it is possible for a subset of a spanning set to not form a basis. If the subset is not linearly independent or does not span the entire vector space, it cannot be considered a basis.

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