When Does a Beam Start to Behave Like a String Under Tension?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conditions under which a beam begins to exhibit behavior similar to that of a string under tension. Participants explore the transition from beam action, which involves both tension and compression, to a state where the beam behaves purely like a string, which only supports tension.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how much tension is required for a beam to behave like a string and seek to define the transition point.
  • One participant asserts that a beam can never behave like a string due to the fundamental differences in their ability to support tension and compression.
  • Another participant suggests that a beam acts as a beam when the upper half is under compression and the lower half under tension, proposing that sufficient tension can eliminate compression entirely.
  • A later reply discusses the concept of prestressing a beam to eliminate compression, introducing the idea of combined axial tension and bending moments, and presents a formula for stress in a prestressed beam.
  • Participants express interest in literature related to combined axial and bending stresses to further understand the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on whether a beam can behave like a string, with some asserting it cannot due to fundamental differences, while others propose conditions under which a beam may exhibit string-like behavior. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact conditions and definitions involved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of beam and string behavior, the conditions under which compressive forces can be eliminated, and the mathematical relationships governing these behaviors. Specific calculations and conditions for prestressing are mentioned but not fully resolved.

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Readers interested in structural engineering, mechanics of materials, and the behavior of materials under tension and compression may find this discussion relevant.

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Hallo

I have been thinking about when beam starts to behave like string.

My questions are: How much tension do you need to put on a beam before it starts to behave like a string? And when does the behaviour become purely string like?

Thanks
 
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A beam can never behave like a string.

A string can only support tension; it cannot support compression. This is fundamental.

It is also fundamental to beam action that there is both tension and compression.

So anything capable of acting as a beam can support compression and cannot be a string.
 
Excom said:
Hallo
I have been thinking about when beam starts to behave like string.

My questions are: How much tension do you need to put on a beam before it starts to behave like a string? And when does the behaviour become purely string like?

The beam acts as a beam when the upper half is under compression, and the bottom half is under tension.

If you take a long enough section of beam, and you can apply enough tension, then there will be a tension level where no part of the beam is under compression any more.

My hunch is that you would need to compute the force difference between top and bottom. Given a particular length of the beam, a particular mass per length unit, and a particular height of the beam you can compute how much force difference there must be between top and bottom of the beam.
Then you have the amount of tension that must be applied at the ends so that there is no longer any compression in the beam.
 
Cleonis you are quite correct that you can eliminate the compressions by 'prestressing'

The beam loading then becomes one of combined axial tension plus bending moment.

For a simply supported beam, breadth b and depth d, loaded at the most stressful section (the middle) by a point load Q and under an axial tension P the stress at any point A in the beam is given by

{S_A} = \frac{P}{{bd}} \pm \frac{{6M}}{{b{d^2}}} = \frac{1}{{bd}}\left\{ {\frac{P}{1} \pm \frac{{6Qx}}{{2d}}} \right\}

We can certainly calculate the point at which the prestress just eliminates the compression, but since the moment varies with distance, x along the beam, from zero at the support to a max at the load point, this can only occur at one section at a time.

Equally the equation is nothing like the simple tension in a string. So I will leave it up to otheres to decide if this is 'string action' or not.
 
Thanks for the answers.

Do any of you know some literature about the subject?
 
Look up combined axial and bending stresses

Here for instance

http://shjwc.sau.edu.cn/jpk/cllx/50/4/Chapter%208-Combined%20Bending%20Stresses.doc

Note download the target and rename to docx.

read paragraph 8.2
 
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