When Does Helmholtz Free Energy Decrease?

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which Helmholtz free energy decreases in a system at thermal equilibrium with its environment. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the concept and seeks clarification on the circumstances that lead to a decrease in free energy.

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  • Participants explore various scenarios that could lead to a decrease in Helmholtz free energy, including loss of matter, work done on the environment, temperature changes, and spontaneous internal changes. There is also a discussion about the minimization principles related to free energy and energy at finite temperatures.

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Some participants provide insights into the nature of free energy and its implications in thermodynamic systems. There are attempts to illustrate concepts through examples, although the discussion remains open-ended without a definitive resolution.

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Helmholtz free energy decreases...

Hello...

I'm having trouble getting my head around something. I'm not exactly sure what is meant by the Helmholtz free energy (F) decreasing in a system that's in thermal equilibrium with it's environment. Under what circumstances does it decrease?

Cheers,
W. =)
 
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The free energy could decrease if the system lost matter to the surrounding environment, if it did work on the environment, if the temperature of the environment decreased slowly to remain in thermal equilibrium with the system, or if a spontaneous internal change occurred. Does this help?
 
The free energy is just a useful quantity to have for determining how a system at a given temperature behaves. the minimization principle of the free energy is a generalization of of the minimization prinicple of the energy (which you are probably used to) to the case of finite temperature.

For example (I'm just making this up off the top of my head to illustrate the point, so don't take it too literally), perhaps I have a system at density \rho that rises up to some height h in a tube. And so the energy is
<br /> 0.5 \rho g h^2\;.<br />
And so, I can minimize the energy to find that the height h should be zero... the fluid doesn't rise up in the tube...

But, what if I'm at finite temperature, and perhaps the *free energy* (E-TS) is given by
<br /> 0.5 \rho g h - \frac{k_B T}{A}\log(h)\;,<br />
where A is some parameter with dimensions of Area. I minimize this and I find a different answer
<br /> h=\sqrt{\frac{k_B T}{\rho g A}}\;.<br />
 
olgranpappy said:
...and perhaps the *free energy* (E-TS) is given by
<br /> 0.5 \rho g h - \frac{k_B T}{A}\log(h)\;,<br /> ...

I bet it should be 0.5\rho g h^2 - \frac{k_B T}{A}\log(h). =P

It is a very good example~thank you~
 
tnho said:
I bet it should be 0.5\rho g h^2 - \frac{k_B T}{A}\log(h). =P

It is a very good example~thank you~

whoopsy daisy, you're right--that's what I meant.
 

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