When putting a Resistor in series with an LED

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The discussion revolves around the placement of a resistor in series with an LED in a circuit, exploring whether the orientation should follow current convention or actual current flow. Participants also examine the role of the resistor and its impact on circuit functionality, as well as foundational concepts in circuit analysis.

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  • Some participants question whether the resistor should be placed according to current convention (positive to negative) or actual current flow, and whether this placement matters.
  • Others inquire about the role of the resistor in the circuit and whether its position affects its functionality.
  • One participant asserts that the diagrams presented are identical and emphasizes the need for a foundational understanding of circuit concepts.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about circuit functionality and the nature of LEDs, indicating a desire to learn more about these topics.
  • Some participants suggest that the order of components in a series circuit is irrelevant, as current flows through all components simultaneously.
  • There are references to the importance of understanding basic electrical concepts before advancing to more complex topics.
  • One participant shares an anecdote about a pop-science book discussing electric fields in cell membranes, relating it to broader scientific understanding.

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Participants express differing views on the significance of resistor placement in relation to the LED, and there is no consensus on whether the orientation according to current convention or actual flow is important. Additionally, foundational knowledge gaps are acknowledged, but no agreement is reached on how to address these gaps.

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Some participants indicate limitations in their understanding of circuit analysis and components, which may affect their contributions to the discussion. There is a noted dependence on basic definitions and concepts that remain unresolved.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals beginning their studies in circuit analysis, those interested in the practical application of electrical components, and learners seeking clarification on foundational concepts in electronics.

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When putting an LED in series with a Resistor do you put it according to current convention (positive to negative) or to the actual current flow? Does it matter?
 

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What is the role of the resistor, and will its position in the circuit change the way it works?
 
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AchillesWrathfulLove said:
When putting an LED in series with a Resistor do you put it according to current convention (positive to negative) or to the actual current flow? Does it matter?
The two diagrams you have shown are absolutely identical in every significant respect, and that would be true regardless of what element was in the place where you show the diode. If you don't understand that, then you seriously need to get back to basics before trying to go further.
 
phinds said:
The two diagrams you have shown are absolutely identical in every significant respect, and that would be true regardless of what element was in the place where you show the diode. If you don't understand that, then you seriously need to get back to basics before trying to go further.

I have only studied Circuit Analysis with Resistor networks and now beginning to get into RC/RL Circuits so I don't really have an idea how circuits function in reality with my current knowledge, heck I don't even know fully what an LED is. This is something I google about out of my own spare time to understand more about circuits.

Anyways... But wouldn't you want the resistor being the first thing to take in the current BEFORE it hits the diode instead of AFTER it hits the diode?
 
AchillesWrathfulLove said:
I have only studied Circuit Analysis with Resistor networks and now beginning to get into RC/RL Circuits so I don't really have an idea how circuits function in reality with my current knowledge, heck I don't even know fully what an LED is. This is something I google about out of my own spare time to understand more about circuits.
Then I say again, you need to go back to basics. You are getting ahead of yourself and trying to learn in a very scatter-shot way. Not a good idea.

Anyways... But wouldn't you want the resistor being the first thing to take in the current BEFORE it hits the diode instead of AFTER it hits the diode?
When you get back to basics you will realize that it it utterly irrelevant and in fact your question doesn't even make any sense.. The current in a series circuit goes through everything at the same time.
 
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You are trying to tackle speed-density engine maps without understanding that there are pistons going up and down inside...

Seriously, get a decent book (as recommended in your other thread) and start at the beginning. Voltage, current, charge, resistance... These concepts are deceptively simple and it’s tempting to skip over them quickly; however, they are the foundation of all your future studies. Learn them well; read different accounts from different authors; set out a piece of paper and pretend you’re explaining the concepts to someone else.

Otherwise you’ll end up like the narrator of a ‘science’ documentary I saw recently, who spoke of “4000 volts of direct current”.
 
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Guineafowl said:
Otherwise you’ll end up like the narrator of a ‘science’ documentary I saw recently, who spoke of “4000 volts of direct current”.

I just read a pop-sci book on biochemistry, where the author (PhD, professor in evolutionary biochemistry, so not some random person) claimed there is an electric field in the cell membranes reaching 30 MV/m* "as in a lightning".

*Haven't checked, but the number itself looks reasonable, something like a bit over 100 mV across membrane several molecules thick can yield this order of magnitude.
 
Borek said:
I just read a pop-sci book on biochemistry, where the author (PhD, professor in evolutionary biochemistry, so not some random person) claimed there is an electric field in the cell membranes reaching 30 MV/m* "as in a lightning".

*Haven't checked, but the number itself looks reasonable, something like a bit over 100 mV across membrane several molecules thick can yield this order of magnitude.

Resting potential (difference) of a typical neuron is about 70 mV, across a membrane approx. 10 nm thick. This gives 7 MV/m. That’s given me a new appreciation of the dielectric properties of the phospholipid bilayer!
 

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