Discussion Overview
The discussion centers on the fate of energy in the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) as the universe expands. Participants explore the implications of redshift on photon energy and the conservation of energy in the context of cosmological expansion, touching on theoretical frameworks and interpretations from general relativity.
Discussion Character
- Exploratory
- Debate/contested
- Technical explanation
- Conceptual clarification
Main Points Raised
- Some participants suggest that as space expands, photons are redshifted, resulting in a loss of energy, yet they question where this energy goes, invoking the first law of thermodynamics.
- Others argue that the energy is not lost but merely stretched out, comparing it to a rubber band, although this analogy is challenged regarding its applicability to photon energy.
- Some participants propose that the energy lost by CMB photons contributes to the expansion of the universe, while others question this interpretation, suggesting that it may slow down expansion instead.
- A later reply emphasizes that general relativity does not conserve energy in the same way classical physics does, complicating the discussion about the fate of CMB energy.
- There is a contention regarding the relationship between gravitational effects and redshift, with some asserting that redshift occurs independently of gravity, while others argue that curvature in spacetime plays a crucial role.
- Participants express uncertainty about the implications of their arguments, particularly regarding the application of general relativity to the problem of energy conservation in an expanding universe.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants do not reach a consensus on the fate of the energy in the CMB or the implications of redshift. Multiple competing views remain, particularly regarding the role of gravity and the interpretation of energy conservation in the context of general relativity.
Contextual Notes
Limitations include the potential misapplication of classical gravitational concepts to general relativity, as well as unresolved questions about the mechanisms behind energy loss and the nature of redshift in expanding space.