Where is the quantization term in Planck's Law?

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The discussion revolves around the presence of a "quantization term" in Planck's Law, specifically questioning how the concept of energy discreteness is represented within the law. The scope includes conceptual clarification and technical explanation related to quantum field theory and blackbody radiation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks where the quantization term appears in Planck's Law, suggesting a need for clarification on energy discreteness.
  • Another participant asserts that the quantization aspect is found in the derivation of the partition sum of the quantized electromagnetic field.
  • A different participant emphasizes that the question may not align with standard textbook definitions, indicating that no explicit "quantization term" exists in Planck's Law.
  • Some participants express frustration over the complexity of responses given to what they perceive as a remedial question.
  • There is mention of a specific reference, "The Conceptual Framework of Quantum Field Theory" by Duncan, as a potential source for understanding the derivation, although it is noted to be an advanced text.
  • Several participants indicate a lack of clarity in the original question, suggesting that better phrasing might lead to more helpful responses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the "quantization term" in Planck's Law. There are competing views regarding the existence and representation of energy discreteness, with some participants feeling that the responses do not adequately address the original question.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted dependence on the understanding of quantum field theory and partition sums, which may not be familiar to all participants. The discussion reflects varying levels of expertise among contributors.

Taulant Sholla
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Where is the quantization term (the "n") in Planck's Law?
This is a very remedial question, so thanks in advance for you gentle indulgence :smile: Where do I find the quantization term (the "n") in Planck's Law?
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I've no clue what you mean. I've never heard about a mysterious "quantization term". You get this equation by calculating the partion sum of the free quantized electromagnetic field.
 
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Really? No clue?

Planck coughed-up his equation that nicely fit Blackbody radiation curves. His great step was to state that energy occurs in discrete levels. Where is this discreteness found or how is it manifested in this law? Or is it not found in this law and simply contained in E=hf?
 
It's found in the derivation of the said partition sum ;-)).
 
With all due respect and utmost appreciation (really, thank you for your insights!) -- your responses provide zero assistance to a poster who clearly advertised the questions as intro/remedial. Maybe there's another forum where I should post this? Or maybe another responder might jump in?
 
Taulant Sholla said:
your responses provide zero assistance to a poster who clearly advertised the questions as intro/remedial.

You used phrase "quantization term" which I personally (and I suppose @vanhees71 also) did not see in any textbook. If you mean some natural paremeter ##n## like in Bohr quantisation then there is non in Planck's law. If you ask:

Taulant Sholla said:
Where is this discreteness found

then vanhees71 answered:

vanhees71 said:
It's found in the derivation of the said partition sum ;-))

If you ask where to find the derivation, well, The Conceptual Framework of Quantum Field Theory by Duncan comes to my mind, but that is quite an advanced book. He discusses it in historical context in the first chapter. Maybe others will provide simpler references.
 
That was not my question. I was just asking for a very simplified response to an admittedly remedial question. I posted to physics stack exchange and got what I needed.
 
I'm sorry that I answered to your question, which doesn't make sense to begin with. If you ask for a derivation of Planck's radiation law, I've of course assumed that you are familiar with the basics of quantum field theory and how to evaluate partition sums for non-interacting particles.
 
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Taulant Sholla said:
That was not my question.

Then you should work on phrasing your questions properly. We can only answer to what we see.
 
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Taulant Sholla said:
I posted to physics stack exchange and got what I needed.

Then this thread is closed.
 

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