Where's my mistake? (Lorentz Transformation for a moving spaceship)

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The discussion revolves around the application of Lorentz transformations in the context of a moving spaceship and its velocity components as perceived from different reference frames. Participants are examining the mathematical relationships involved in transforming these velocities and the implications of relativistic effects such as time dilation and Lorentz contraction.

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  • Participants are analyzing the transformation of velocity components from one reference frame to another, questioning the application of the Einstein addition rule and the conditions under which Lorentz contraction applies. There are discussions about the relationships between the angles and the components of velocity in both frames.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing mathematical expressions and questioning assumptions about time intervals and the correctness of the transformations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationships between the components of velocity, but no consensus has been reached.

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There are indications of potential typographical errors and questions about the equality of time intervals in different frames, which may affect the understanding of the problem. The discussion is framed within the constraints of homework guidelines, emphasizing the need for clarity in reasoning.

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There is a spaceship moving in the +x direction gets a signal from a source on xy plane. From the reference frame of stable stars, the speed of the spaceship is v and the angle that signal creates between x axis and its direction when reached the spaceship is θ. Get help from lorentz transformations and find out the angle θ in the reference frame of spaceship.
Relevant Equations
x'=(x-vt)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
I didn't use but maybe: t'=(t-(vx)/c^2)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
That's what I found. But the answer is arctan(sinθ*sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)/(cosθ+v/c))
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Rough sketch:
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$$tan \theta = \frac{y}{x}$$

It is correct but then you don't seem to be using Einstein addition rule correctly. Also note that ##y## and ##x## correspond to the components of the beam's velocity in the ##y## and ##x## directions.

I have labeled the stable star as the rest frame ##S## and the (rectangular) spaceship as the moving frame ##\bar S##.

The key here is noticing that the velocity changes relative to a moving frame not only due to distances (Lorentz contraction) but due to time (time dilation) as well.

The velocity in the ##y## (vertical) direction changes as follows (from ##S## to ##\bar S##):

$$\bar u_y = \frac{d \bar y}{d \bar t} = \frac{d y}{\gamma (dt -v/c^2 dx)} = \frac{u_y}{\gamma (1 -v/c^2 u_x)}$$

Note that there's no Lorentz contraction along ##y## because the spaceship moves along ##x##.

The velocity in the ##x## (horizontal) direction changes as follows (from ##S## to ##\bar S##):

$$\bar u_x = \frac{d \bar x}{d \bar t} = \frac{\gamma(d x - v dt)}{\gamma (dt -v/c^2 dx)} = \frac{u_x -v}{\gamma (1 -v/c^2 u_x)}$$

Knowing that:

$$tan \bar \theta = \frac{\bar u_y}{\bar u_x} = \frac{u_y}{\gamma(u_x -v)}$$

And ##cos\theta = \frac{u_x}{c}## and ##sin\theta = \frac{u_y}{c}##... What do you get? ;)

Please let me know if something is unclear.
 
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Shouldn't dt's are equal?
 
Typo indeed. Let me fix it.
 

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