Which equation should I use to calculate flux for a point charge in a sphere?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric flux due to a point charge of 100 nC located at the origin, through a sphere of radius 0.01 m centered at the origin. Participants are exploring the appropriate equations and concepts related to electric flux and its calculation in this context.

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  • Participants discuss the definition of electric flux and its evaluation for non-planar surfaces, questioning the applicability of different equations. There is mention of using integrals to calculate flux and references to Gauss' Law as a potential simplification.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the nature of electric flux and its calculation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of Gauss' Law and the implications of spherical symmetry, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

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There are ongoing questions about the relevance of the sphere's radius in the flux calculation and the relationship between electric field strength and surface area in relation to the flux. Participants are also considering the implications of integrating versus applying Gauss' Law.

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Calculate the flux, due to a point charge of 100 nC at the origin, that penetrates a
sphere of radius 0.01 m centred at the origin.


Would anyone know which equation I should be using for this problem?

Thank you.
 
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ZedCar said:
Calculate the flux, due to a point charge of 100 nC at the origin, that penetrates a
sphere of radius 0.01 m centred at the origin.


Would anyone know which equation I should be using for this problem?

Thank you.

Physics is not about blindly choosing equations and plugging numbers into them. It is about understanding physical concepts (which are expressed mathematically). In this case, the concept you need to understand is, "what is the flux of an electric field across a surface?" Once you know the definition of electric flux, then you know everything you need to know to solve this problem.
 
Well, as I understand it, electric flux is the flux of an electric field.

The electric field through a planar area has one means of evaluation. Since this question relates to a sphere (non-planar) then this evaluation would not apply.

The other evaluation, which applies when the area is non-planar, requires an integral.

So, the equation I was thinking of using is:

∅ = ∫EcosθdA
 
ZedCar said:
Well, as I understand it, electric flux is the flux of an electric field.

Right, but that definition is kind of tautological and useless unless if you say what flux is. The flux of a vector field across a surface of some area is defined as the surface integral of that vector field over that area. In other words, it is the integral over the area of the electric field vector dotted with the unit normal vector at each point.

ZedCar said:
The electric field through a planar area has one means of evaluation. Since this question relates to a sphere (non-planar) then this evaluation would not apply.

The other evaluation, which applies when the area is non-planar, requires an integral.

Well, actually, the definition in terms of the integral is the general definition: it always applies to every case, including the planar one. It's just that if the surface is planar and the electric field is normal to it at every point (and uniform in magnitude everywhere) then the integral reduces to a simple multiplication.

ZedCar said:
So, the equation I was thinking of using is:

∅ = ∫EcosθdA

This will work -- especially if you use spherical coordinates. Now, what is cosθ at every point on the sphere? Hint: the unit normal vector always points "radially outward" at every point on the surface of a sphere, and the electric field also happens to point "radially outward" everywhere.

This equation will work, but there is a spherical symmetry to the problem that you can exploit. (The properties of the electric field allow you to do so). If you exploit this symmetry, you won't have to do any integration at all. Have you heard of something called Gauss' Law? Using Gauss' Law, this is a 2-second problem with no math.
 
cepheid said:
Now, what is cosθ at every point on the sphere?

= 1

cepheid said:
Using Gauss' Law, this is a 2-second problem with no math.

The "other" equation;

∅ = EAcosθ
would then be
flux ∅ = (100x10^-9) x (4∏r^2)
= 1.256 x 10^-10 (Nm^2)/C
 
ZedCar said:
= 1

Yeah. Did you try the integral, given that information?

ZedCar said:
The "other" equation;

∅ = EAcosθ
would then be
flux ∅ = (100x10^-9) x (4∏r^2)
= 1.256 x 10^-10 (Nm^2)/C

Nope. This equation is what the integral reduces to under simpler circumstances. It is not applicable here and it is not Gauss' Law. Gauss' Law says that the flux of the electric field through any closed surface is just proportional to the net charge enclosed by that surface (hence no math required). I'll let you look up Gauss' Law to figure out what the constant of proportionality is. Or, you can just evaluate your integral to find out (i.e. derive Gauss' law yourself). :wink:
 
So the answer is simply Q/ε0 ?

In this case, the radius is of no relevance in the calculation of the flux?
 
ZedCar said:
So the answer is simply Q/ε0 ?


Exactly. That is Gauss' Law.

ZedCar said:
In this case, the radius is of no relevance in the calculation of the flux?

There is no dependence on radius. If you had done the integral, you would have seen exactly how the r-dependence cancels out. But the basic idea is that the surface area increases as r2, which tends to increase the flux. However, the E-field strength decreases as 1/r2, which tends to reduce the flux. These two effects precisely cancel each other out, leading to no dependence on distance.
 

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