Which Fuse Will Blow First in a Simple Series Circuit?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of current in a simple series circuit with two identical fuses and a resistor, specifically questioning which fuse would blow first when the circuit is closed. Participants explore the nature of current flow and the propagation of electric fields in the circuit, using analogies to clarify their points.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether current flows identically through all points in a wire instantly when the circuit is closed, or if there is a delay related to the propagation speed of the electric field.
  • Another participant suggests that if the same current passes through both identical fuses, they should theoretically blow at the same time, but acknowledges that real-world conditions may vary.
  • A participant clarifies that the change in the electric field does propagate at a finite speed, which is not necessarily the speed of light, and notes that electrons do not instantaneously accelerate when a force is applied.
  • One participant critiques the use of metaphors, asking for evidence to support claims made using analogies.
  • Another participant discusses the water analogy, explaining that the elasticity of a hose affects pressure transmission and draws parallels to electrical concepts like capacitance and inductance.
  • A later reply emphasizes that electrons do not travel at the speed of light, referencing the concept of electron drift.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of current flow and the implications of using analogies. There is no consensus on the specifics of how current behaves in the circuit or the validity of the metaphors used.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions and undefined aspects of the discussion, particularly regarding the behavior of current and the applicability of analogies in explaining electrical phenomena.

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I have a simple series circuit, with a 9V power supply, and a 1 ohm resistor. If I place to identical fuses in series on opposite sides of the resistor that are rated for <9A, which fuse will blow first?

I am essentially asking if current flows identically through all points in a wire the instant the circuit is closed, or if there is an instant at "the speed of light (electrons)" where current flows only in the high electron side of the wire.

Basically I'm thinking (if I revert to the water metaphor), there is a hose and I can either open the supply to with it empty hose that needs to have water passed through it, or I canopen it with an already filled hose which will instantly start passing water though the free end.

Hopefully this isn't too vague..
 
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I have two "identical" ice creams. If I take them out of a fridge at same time, which one totally melts first?
 
I too can answer questions with metaphors that have absolutely no evidence... provide any?
 
If same current passes through both "identical" fuses, they should melt at same instant of time (in theory). However, in the real world you'll never have two identical fuses placed in identical environment.
 
Scott Pratz said:
I am essentially asking if current flows identically through all points in a wire the instant the circuit is closed, or if there is an instant at "the speed of light (electrons)" where current flows only in the high electron side of the wire.

That question is clearer than the question about the resistors! It's not clear how much you reality that you want to allow in the question about the resistors.

My answer is: yes, the change in the electric field propagates through the wire at a finite speed. This finite speed is not necessarily the speed of light in a vacuum. Viewing the electrons as classical particles, they have a mass. They don't instantly accelerate when acted upon by a force, so it isn't the electrons themselves that move at the speed of light. There are still a lot of undefined aspects to the above question, so I'm sure other people might not agree.
 
The water analogy can be useful but one must be rigorous.

Your "full" hose cannot transmit pressure instantaneously to its other end because it is elastic and will swell slightly under the higher pressure. So you must add water to the hose to start the pressure rise propagating down the hose to accelerate the water.
But you'd be hard pressed to measure that delay with a stopwatch.
That compliance in your garden hose is analogous to capacitance. Inertia of the water is analogous to inductance. Interestingly c is a function of capacitive and inductive related parameters permittivity εο and permeability μο .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_permittivity

Here's a link that'll make you scratch your head:
http://amasci.com/tesla/tmistk.htmlhave fun.
 
Scott Pratz said:
I am essentially asking if current flows identically through all points in a wire the instant the circuit is closed, or if there is an instant at "the speed of light (electrons)" where current flows only in the high electron side of the wire.

electrons DONT travel at the speed of light, google electron drift :)

Dave
 

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