In a circuit, what causes current to go from L1 to L2?

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The discussion revolves around the mechanisms of current flow in a simple two-leg alternating current circuit, particularly focusing on the factors that determine the direction of current flow when a switch is closed. Participants explore concepts related to voltage, electron movement, and electromagnetic fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the flow of current from line 1 to line 2, or vice versa, is caused by the applied voltage from the power source.
  • Others propose that a changing magnetic field can induce voltage in the circuit, leading to current flow without the need for isolated positive charges.
  • There is a claim that circuits do not operate by changing the number of charges in one area to attract or repel electrons, but rather through changes in the local electromagnetic field generated by the power source.
  • One participant questions whether current flows simultaneously in both directions when the switch is closed, to which another participant responds that current flows in only one direction at a time.
  • The polarity of the applied voltage is mentioned as a determining factor for the initial direction of electron flow when the switch is closed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of current flow, particularly regarding the role of voltage and electromagnetic fields. There is no consensus on the underlying principles governing the direction of current flow.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts such as electromagnetic induction and the behavior of charges in circuits, but there are unresolved questions about the specifics of these mechanisms and their implications for current flow.

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The photograph above this sentence is a photograph of a simple 2 leg circuit of alternating current with a light switch and a light bulb. I know how alternating current constantly switches direction from line 1 to line 2 and then goes from line 2 to line 1, etc. In the diagram in the above photograph, when the switch is closed, if the current goes from line 1 to line 2 first, what causes the current to flow from Line 1 through the switch and into the light bulb (lighting up the light bulb) and to Line 2? If the current goes from line 2 to line 1 first, what causes the current to flow from line 2 through the switch and into the light bulb (lighting up the light bulb) and to line 1?

I have a feeling that the answer somehow involves electron's attraction to positive charges, but I don't know how it would work since there are negatively charged electrons in both the wire of line 1 and line 2.

Is it the case that when you have a 2 leg circuit, one leg always has more electrons than the other and the current first flows from the leg with more electrons to the leg with less electrons?
 

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fourthindiana said:
In the diagram in the above photograph, when the switch is closed, if the current goes from line 1 to line 2 first, what causes the current to flow from Line 1 through the switch and into the light bulb (lighting up the light bulb) and to Line 2?

The applied voltage from the power source.

fourthindiana said:
If the current goes from line 2 to line 1 first, what causes the current to flow from line 2 through the switch and into the light bulb (lighting up the light bulb) and to line 1?

Same answer. The applied voltage from the power source.

fourthindiana said:
I have a feeling that the answer somehow involves electron's attraction to positive charges, but I don't know how it would work since there are negatively charged electrons in both the wire of line 1 and line 2.

No separation of charges is necessary. A changing magnetic field can induce a voltage in the circuit, causing current flow, yet the electrons have no isolated positive charges anywhere in the circuit to be attracted to.

fourthindiana said:
Is it the case that when you have a 2 leg circuit, one leg always has more electrons than the other and the current first flows from the leg with more electrons to the leg with less electrons?

No, circuits don't work by changing the number of charges in one area as to attract/repel electrons. A change in the local electromagnetic field is generated by your power source in such a way as to cause charges to move. Explanations for this range from very simple (but very shallow) to extremely complex.
 
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Drakkith said:
The applied voltage from the power source.
Same answer. The applied voltage from the power source.
No separation of charges is necessary. A changing magnetic field can induce a voltage in the circuit, causing current flow, yet the electrons have no isolated positive charges anywhere in the circuit to be attracted to.
No, circuits don't work by changing the number of charges in one area as to attract/repel electrons. A change in the local electromagnetic field is generated by your power source in such a way as to cause charges to move. Explanations for this range from very simple (but very shallow) to extremely complex.

I don't know exactly what you mean when you say that a changing magnetic field can induce voltage in the circuit.

In the diagram in the attached photograph, is it the case that when the switch is closed, current will flow from Line 1 to Line 2 and current will flow from line 2 to line 1 simultaneously? If not, what determines whether the electrons will first flow from line 1 to line 2 or from line 2 to line 1?
 
fourthindiana said:
I don't know exactly what you mean when you say that a changing magnetic field can induce voltage in the circuit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_induction

fourthindiana said:
In the diagram in the attached photograph, is it the case that when the switch is closed, current will flow from Line 1 to Line 2 and current will flow from line 2 to line 1 simultaneously?

No. Current will only flow in one direction at a time.

fourthindiana said:
If not, what determines whether the electrons will first flow from line 1 to line 2 or from line 2 to line 1?

The polarity of the applied voltage at the time you close the switch.
 
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