Which Is Better for Micro-Calorimeters: Thermistor or Thermopile?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the selection of temperature sensors for a micro-calorimeter, specifically comparing thermistors and thermopiles, while also considering other options like RTDs and integrated circuits. Participants explore sensitivity, response time, and specific temperature ranges relevant to the application.

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  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the sensitivity and response time of thermistors versus thermopiles for a micro-calorimeter.
  • Another suggests considering alternative temperature sensors like the 18B20 and LM35, noting their calibration and response times.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of using glass bead thermistors for precise and fast responses, while also mentioning the need for mathematical processing of resistance changes.
  • One reply recommends Platinum RTDs for their accuracy and range, questioning the expected temperatures and accuracy requirements.
  • Another participant states that RTDs are generally more accurate, while thermistors are more sensitive, highlighting the self-heating issue associated with both types.
  • A later post specifies the need for a temperature sensor with high sensitivity around 310 K (37 ºC) and a target sensitivity of 20 µK or less.
  • One participant asks for clarification on why a commercially available micro-calorimeter cannot be used, suggesting that environmental factors may influence the choice of sensor.
  • Questions are raised about the ability to calibrate the sensor and control the heat bath, as well as the required speed of measurements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various preferences for different types of temperature sensors, indicating no consensus on the best option. Multiple competing views remain regarding the suitability of thermistors, thermopiles, RTDs, and alternative integrated circuits.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific requirements such as sensitivity levels and environmental conditions, but these factors remain unresolved in terms of their impact on sensor choice.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in designing micro-calorimeters or selecting temperature sensors for sensitive measurements in experimental setups.

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Hallo

I am going to make a micro-calorimeter and in this micro-calorimeter I need a very sensitive temperature sensor. I think I am going to use a thermistor or a thermopile. But which one to choose?

With which temperature sensor do I get the highest sensitivity? And with which temperature sensor can I make the fastest temperature measurements?

I hope that someone can help.

Thanks in advance.
 
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You could use either of those, but you should look at the other options first.

For example there is a chip called an 18B20 which can measure temperature to 1/16th of a degree. They come already calibrated. They cost about US$5 but need to be read with a microprocessor like a Picaxe.

They can take several readings each second, but the body of the device (which looks like a low powered transistor) would take a several seconds to acquire the temperature from its surroundings.
If suddenly plunged into hot water from cold, it might take 15 seconds or more to come to temperature.

Another chip is the LM35.
These give 10 mV out per degree celsius from -55 to 150 deg C.
Digikey have them for $6.55

I haven't done a detailed search, so there are probably better chips out there.
 
Hi. I'm not a great specialist of these subjects, but I use to work with thermistor and I must precise at least to main items :

1) if you use thermistor and need a precise and fast response you must choose "glass beads" thermistor (not so easy to find for an amateur).

2 ) Temperature modify the internal resistance of this component according to a mathematic law including exponential and so you need to digitize the resistance (voltage in fact) and process mathematically this data. I do that but I use a microcontroller.

As it has been told, LM35 is a very good choice, low cost and easy to use.
 
I am going to make a micro-calorimeter...
What temperatures are you expecting? And what accuracy?
I would recommend using a Platinum RTD (Resistance Temperature Detector) for good range and accuracy.
http://www.omega.com/prodinfo/rtd.html"
 
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RTDs are generally your most accurate option, while thermistors are your most sensitive. In either case, you have some degree of self heating. (NTC) Thermistors are non linear, but they've always been my favorite for sensitivity.
 
Hi

Thanks for the answers.

I am going to fabricate the thermocouple or thermistor by my self. It is only import that the temperature sensor is very sensitive around 310 K (37 ºC). The temperature sensor must reach sensitivity around 20 µK or less.
 
Maybe it would help if you could tell us why you cannot just buy a micro calorimeter. I guess there are a few more parameters, like a corrosive environment or fields or such things involved, this will determine much more what might be suitable.
Can you calibrate the sensor yourself? How do you control your heat bath? How fast do you really need to be?
 

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