Which is better to create a vacuum? Air or water?

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The discussion centers on the effectiveness of using air versus water to create a vacuum for car dent removal. A car dent removal device that utilizes air was found to be ineffective, leading to the suggestion of using water in conjunction with a vacuum to push the dent out. The discussion highlights that while a vacuum can only apply 1 atmosphere of pressure (15 psi), it effectively holds onto the metal surface. Additionally, traditional methods such as the 'Morgan Knocker' and modern techniques involving welding a pin for dent removal are mentioned as alternatives.

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I have recently used a car dent removal device, which creates a vacuum round the device by sucking the air out however it did not work very effectively. I was wondering if it would be better if the vacuum was placed over the dent, filled with water and air in the vacuum was released through a valve and then use a pump to suck the water out of the vacuum, resulting in the dent being pushed back out.
Any comments or feedback would be most appreciated
Thanks
 
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The limit with a vacuum is that you can only apply 1 atmosphere of pressure (15psi) - so you could do the same by putting an extra atmosphere of air/water pressure on the other side.
But the advantage of vacuum is that it holds itself onto the metal - if you used high pressure on the back then you need some way of holding the system against the car.
There is also a problem that getting at the back of the dent is normally harder!
 
You can't beat the good old 'Morgan Knocker'.
You used to have to drill a hole in a panel and attach the slide-hammer with a screw, but the newer approach is to weld a pin to the metal, then grind it off after straightening.
 

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