Which Surface Roughness value to use for pipe flow friction factor

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This discussion focuses on selecting the appropriate surface roughness value for calculating the friction factor in pipeline flow. The user has measured various surface roughness parameters using a surface profilometer and seeks to determine which value corresponds to "Absolute Roughness" as defined by the Moody Chart. Recommendations include using Rq (RMS roughness) and Rz (average peak-to-peak roughness) as the most relevant descriptors for this purpose. The Colebrook equation is suggested for relating friction factor to roughness, with historical context provided regarding Moody's data and its origins from Nikuradse's experiments.

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  • Understanding of surface roughness parameters: Ra, Rz, Rq, and Rmax
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  • Basic principles of pressure drop calculations in pipelines
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I am trying to predict pressure drop in a pipeline with a range of different materials.

I have used a surface profilometer to measure the surface roughness of the different materials and I have values for various surface roughness variables - Ra Rz Rmax Rq Rm S Sm R3z Wt and a range of other variables.

The calculations I am using are based on using an "Absolute Roughness" (units mm) and the pipe diameter (units mm) to calculate a "Relative Roughness" and then from this calculate the Moody Friction Factor and head loss.

My issue is I have no idea which surface roughness value corresponds to the "Absolute Roughness" as used by the Moody Chart.

Thanks in advance for any assistance
 
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Look up the Colebrook equation, which will relate friction factor to roughness. I would suggest using Rq, which is the RMS roughness.
 
I believe Rz is the closest modern descriptor. There's some interesting discussion in this recent paper: http://www.rit.edu/~w-taleme/Papers/Conference%20Papers/C084.pdf

Moody's data was based on work by Nikuradse, who laquered sand-grains to the inside of pipes. Rz is the average peak-to-peak roughness and seems to be the closest descriptor. The mathematical average roughness, Ra, will usually be way too low (close to a factor of 4).
 
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