Which version of spherical coordinates is correct?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the correctness of two different representations of spherical coordinates, focusing on the definitions and relationships between the variables used in each version. Participants explore the implications of these conventions in mathematical and physical contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents two versions of spherical coordinates: (rho, θ, ∅) and (r, ∅, θ), questioning which is correct or if both can be used.
  • Another participant suggests that the difference may be merely symbolic, emphasizing that the underlying concepts are the same regardless of the notation.
  • A third participant references a wiki page discussing different conventions, noting that the symbols for angles can vary between sources, particularly between US math and physics books.
  • This participant also mentions an international standard (ISO 31-11) that defines θ for colatitude and φ for longitude, indicating a preference for the US physics convention.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the first version, arguing that the relationship between the coordinates appears incorrect based on the definitions provided.
  • Another participant provides a formula for spherical coordinates, emphasizing the need for consistency in the variables used for x, y, and z, and shares a mnemonic from their physics teacher regarding the cosine function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on which version of spherical coordinates is correct. There are competing views regarding the significance of the symbols used and the correctness of the mathematical relationships presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of checking definitions and conventions when dealing with spherical coordinates, as variations exist across different texts and disciplines.

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∅θ,θI've come across two distinct 'versions' of the spherical coordinates. Could someone tell me which is correct or if both are fine.

Version 1:

A spherical coordinate is (rho,θ,∅)

x=rhocos(θ)sin(∅) ; y=rhosin(θ)sin(∅) ; z=rhocos(θ)

Version 2:

A spherical coordinate is (r,∅,θ)

x=rhocos(∅)sin(θ) ; y=rhosin(θ)sin(∅) ; z=rhocos(θ)
(r could be rho as well)

Now what's the difference between both or which is the false one?
 
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Isn't it just a matter of symbols used for coordinates? Symbols don't matter, it is the idea that matters - and the idea is identical in both cases.
 
This wiki page mentions the different conventions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_coordinate_system

The symbols θ, φ represent the angles for colatitude (angle from the positive z-axis) and longitude.
But depending on the source the symbols are swapped around.

In particular there appears to be a difference between US math books and US physics books.
The "rest of the world" mostly appears to follow the same convention as used in US physics books.

There is an international standard ISO 31-11, that says to use θ for colatitude and φ for longitude (US physics convention).
The coordinates are listed as (r,θ,φ), making it a right-handed coordinate system.In practice it means that whenever you're dealing with spherical coordinates you have to check how the symbols are defined.
 
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Thanks Guys.
 
hivesaeed4 said:
∅θ,θI've come across two distinct 'versions' of the spherical coordinates. Could someone tell me which is correct or if both are fine.

Version 1:

A spherical coordinate is (rho,θ,∅)

x=rhocos(θ)sin(∅) ; y=rhosin(θ)sin(∅) ; z=rhocos(θ)

Version 2:

A spherical coordinate is (r,∅,θ)

x=rhocos(∅)sin(θ) ; y=rhosin(θ)sin(∅) ; z=rhocos(θ)
(r could be rho as well)

Now what's the difference between both or which is the false one?

The first one looks wrong. z=rcos(θ) means x and y both must have sin(θ) as part of their definition. x=rsin(θ)cos(z) y=rsin(θ)sin(z).
 
x=rcos(a)sin(b)
y=rsin(a)sin(b)
z=rcos(b)

You have to make sure that the first variable in x and y are the same, and that the second in x and y is also used in z. It also depends on which side the angle is on that you are using. My physics teacher said to remember that "cos" is the side that is "cozy" with the angle.
 

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