Which Way Will the System Move and What Is the Acceleration?

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The problem involves two blocks connected by a cord over a frictionless pulley on a double inclined plane, with specified masses and angles. The discussion focuses on determining the direction of movement when released and calculating the acceleration of the blocks.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the forces acting on each block and the implications of those forces on movement. There are attempts to apply Newton's second law to derive equations for both blocks. Some participants question the results of their calculations and the assumptions made regarding movement direction.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the results. There is a recognition of the possibility that neither block may move, given the static friction coefficient provided. Some guidance has been offered regarding the implications of the calculations, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of static and kinetic friction coefficients, and there is uncertainty regarding the movement of the blocks based on the derived equations.

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Homework Statement


Two blocks connected by a cord passing over a small fictionless pulley rest on an double inclined plane (ie a traingle) with static friction coefficient of 0.5 and a kinetic friction coefficient of 0.4. The mass of block A is 100 kg (sitting at 30 degrees), while the mass of block B is 50 kg (sitting at 53.1 degrees).

A. Which way will the system move when the blocks are released from rest?
B. What is the acceleration of the blocks?


Homework Equations


For A, we need to look at the forces pulling down on the block right? So for mass A is it, mgsinӨ-u(kinetic)mgcosӨ=151N and for mass B is it, mgsinӨ-u(kinetic)mgcosӨ=274N. So mass B must slide down, while mass A must slide up right?

For B, the F=ma equation for mass A is T-mgsinӨ-u(kinetic)mgcosӨ=ma, while for mass B, it is mgsinӨ-u(kinetic)mgcosӨ-T=ma.

So T-151=100a, meaning T is 151+100a. Plugging into the equation for mass B, 391.8-117.7-(151+100a)=50a. So a=0.821 m/s^2. Is this right?
 
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dododo121 said:

Homework Statement


Two blocks connected by a cord passing over a small fictionless pulley rest on an double inclined plane (ie a traingle) with static friction coefficient of 0.5 and a kinetic friction coefficient of 0.4. The mass of block A is 100 kg (sitting at 30 degrees), while the mass of block B is 50 kg (sitting at 53.1 degrees).

A. Which way will the system move when the blocks are released from rest?
B. What is the acceleration of the blocks?


Homework Equations


For A, we need to look at the forces pulling down on the block right? So for mass A is it, mgsinӨ-u(kinetic)mgcosӨ=151N and for mass B is it, mgsinӨ-u(kinetic)mgcosӨ=274N. So mass B must slide down, while mass A must slide up right?

the F=ma equation for mass A is T-mgsinӨ-u(kinetic)mgcosӨ=ma, while for mass B, it is mgsinӨ-u(kinetic)mgcosӨ-T=ma.

So T-151=100a,

Check the red line.


ehild
 
ehild said:
Check the red line.


ehild

So it's

For part B, the F=ma equation for mass A is T-mgsinӨ-u(kinetic)mgcosӨ=ma, while for mass B, it is mgsinӨ-u(kinetic)mgcosӨ-T=ma.

So T-829=100a, meaning T is 829+100a. Plugging into the equation for mass B, 391.8-117.7-(829+100a)=50a. So a=-11.1 m/s^2. Is this right?

But then doesn't that mean that mass A is falling down the incline, instead of mass B?
 
dododo121 said:
But then doesn't that mean that mass A is falling down the incline, instead of mass B?

Strange isn't it? You have proved that A can not descend, and now you got that B doesn't move downward. There is a third possibility: neither blocks move. Is it possible? You are given the coefficient of static friction.


ehild
 

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