Why an antenna cannot receive analogue baseband signal of 0-4000Hz?

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of receiving analogue baseband signals in the frequency range of 0-4000Hz with antennas. It explores the necessity of modulation for effective transmission and the implications of antenna size related to low-frequency signals.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that modulation is essential for transmitting information-bearing signals over long distances, with examples like AM and FM radio.
  • It is noted that analogue baseband signals are typically shifted to higher frequency ranges (e.g., 60-64kHz) for transmission.
  • One participant calculates the wavelength of a 4kHz signal to be 75,000m, suggesting that constructing an antenna for such low frequencies is impractical.
  • Another participant acknowledges the size constraints of resonant antennas for low frequencies but mentions that modulation to a higher carrier frequency (e.g., 62kHz) allows for antenna design, albeit still large.
  • There is a mention of naval ELF submarine antennas as an exception to the size constraints for low-frequency signals.
  • Participants discuss the basic principle that an antenna is needed to detect electromagnetic radiation, with examples of simple antennas like a piece of wire or even a finger.
  • One participant highlights that the voltage generated by an antenna depends on field strength and the antenna's size and shape.
  • Another point raised is that in antenna design, minimizing the frequency spread can simplify implementation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the necessity of modulation for effective transmission of low-frequency signals, but there are differing views on the practicality and design considerations of antennas for such frequencies. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approaches to antenna design for low-frequency signals.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations related to assumptions about antenna size and design feasibility, as well as the dependence on specific frequency ranges for effective communication. The discussion does not resolve the complexities involved in antenna design for low-frequency signals.

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Modulation is the process of impressing an information bearing signal to a carrier for effective transmission over a long distance. example Am and FM used in radio transmission

Analogue baseband signals of 0-4000Hz are shifted to 60-64Khz range.

Communication systems often do not carry signals in baseband (with the exception of local loop)

Wavelength of a radio wave in free space is the speed of light/the frequency.

That means a 4KHz voice signal has a wave length of 75000m (300000/4). We can't possibly make an antenna to receive such signals

Why an antenna cannot receive analogue baseband signal of 0-4000Hz?
I heard we need a very large antenna to receive analogue baseband signal of 0-4000Hz? why?
 
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If you want to send out a signal a 4 KHz, then yes, for the most part we can't make a resonant antenna due to the size constraints (but take a look at the naval ELF submarine antennas). However, by modulating the frequency at a much higher carrier frequency, then we only need to receive at the carrier frequency. So if the carrier frequency is say 62 KHz, then we can design an antenna, but it will still be friggin huge. I think MHz would be a better starting band for carrier frequencies as we have seen with radio and television standards.
 
You have to have an antenna to detect or receive electromagnetic radiation and information carried by it. A receiving antenna can be a piece of wire, or even your own finger.

Pull out your Sound Blaster plug and rub the tip with a finger. You should be able to hear mains noise in your loudspeakers.

An other way of demonstrating this is touching an oscilloscope probe tip with your finger. You should be able to see mains frequency and much more.

How much voltage your antenna generates, depends on the field strength and the size and shape of the antenna.
 
Born2bwire said:
If you want to send out a signal a 4 KHz, then yes, for the most part we can't make a resonant antenna due to the size constraints (but take a look at the naval ELF submarine antennas). However, by modulating the frequency at a much higher carrier frequency, then we only need to receive at the carrier frequency. So if the carrier frequency is say 62 KHz, then we can design an antenna, but it will still be friggin huge. I think MHz would be a better starting band for carrier frequencies as we have seen with radio and television standards.

Thanks for the explanation.
 
Another way may be to note that in antenna design, making the frequency spread \Delta\omega/\omega small makes the design easier to implement.
 
Andy Resnick said:
Another way may be to note that in antenna design, making the frequency spread \Delta\omega/\omega small makes the design easier to implement.

i see, thanks for the information.
 

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