Why are there 2 definitions of Magnetic Moment?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the two different definitions of magnetic moment, specifically the expressions \(\mu = IA\) and \(\mu = \frac{m v^2}{2 B}\). Participants explore the contexts in which these definitions arise and seek to understand their relationship.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the two definitions of magnetic moment and seeks clarification on their equivalence.
  • Another participant requests the source of the second equation to better understand its context.
  • A later reply provides context for the second equation, indicating it is used in space plasma physics to describe the relationship between particle energy and magnetic fields.
  • One participant suggests that the second equation is derived for a specific scenario and emphasizes that it is not a fundamental definition like the first equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationship between the two definitions, and multiple competing views remain regarding their applicability and foundational status.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on specific contexts for each definition, with one being more fundamental and the other being derived for particular applications in space plasma physics.

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Hello everyone, this is my first post at Physics Forums!

I am trying to understand electromagnetism, and when it comes to the magnetic moment, when reading around I see [tex]\mu = IA[/tex] where A is area of a loop, which is an expression I can sort of understand. But when reading about magnetic drifts (I am a little confused for the moment) I see [tex]\mu = \frac{m v^2}{2 B}[/tex]. I am sure both refer to the same value but I cannot visualise how.

Would someone be kind enough to explain this to me?

Thank you!

Tessx
 
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I don't remember ever seeing your second equation. If you found it on the Web, can you give us a link to it, or if in a book, which book it was and what the context of the equation was? (What was the book discussing at that point?)
 
jtbell,

The context of the second equation is in space plasmas, describing the ratio between perpendicular particle energy and magnetic field.
I found the equation in a book called "Basic Space Plasma Physics" by Baumjohann W. and Treumann R. A., Imperial College Press 2004.
What I don't get is how do they get to this expression, and how does it "fit" with the other one (=IA).

Thank you for your help!
 
Unfortunately, I don't know squat about space plasma physics. :rolleyes: Maybe someone who does know something about it will see this.
 
I'd say that your second equation is a derived equation appropriate to a particular problem. Note that (mv^2)/2 is kinetic energy and mu B has units of energy, so this equation relates the energy of a moment in a field to some situation where particles are moving. It is not a fundamental definition of moment like the first equation.
 

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