Why can't energy change abruptly?

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Energy cannot change abruptly due to the principle of conservation, which dictates that energy transformations must occur gradually to avoid infinite power, as expressed by the equation P = dE/dt. While ideal components like inductors and capacitors can theoretically exhibit abrupt changes, such components do not exist in reality. In practical applications, such as ultrafast lasers, energy can be delivered in extremely short pulses, resulting in high power densities, but this still adheres to the constraints of energy conservation. The discussion highlights that while significant power can be achieved in specific setups, there are limits imposed by physical laws and the nature of materials. Ultimately, unlimited power flux remains unattainable due to these inherent constraints.
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Hi,
I want to ask your help about energy.
Why can't energy change abruptly?
If energy E changes abruptly then power P = dE/dt = ∞. I would like to know why this is impossible?
I know that energy has to be conserved and they can only change from one form to the other. But why this process (transformation) can't change immediately?
 
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Do you know any physical quantity changing abruptly in a real setup?

Can you imagine any setup where energy could change like that, without particles changing their position abruptly (which cannot happen)?
 
Do you know any physical quantity changing abruptly in a real setup?
Now, I can't find out anything but I can't generalise it.
Can you imagine any setup where energy could change like that, without particles changing their position abruptly (which cannot happen)?
Yes, but in my mind :)
 
There is an uncertainty relationship between a change in energy of a quantum system and the time required for the transition. Perhaps that is of interest.
 
Do you know any physical quantity changing abruptly in a real setup?
Now, I just read that the voltage across an ideal inductor and the current through an ideal capacitor can change abruptly.
 
anhnha said:
Now, I just read that the voltage across an ideal inductor and the current through an ideal capacitor can change abruptly.

Ideal components do not exist in real life.
 
anhnha said:
Hi,
I want to ask your help about energy.
Why can't energy change abruptly?
If energy E changes abruptly then power P = dE/dt = ∞. I would like to know why this is impossible?
I know that energy has to be conserved and they can only change from one form to the other. But why this process (transformation) can't change immediately?

I work with very interesting lasers: average energy is quite low, about 1 watt, and the laser is pulsed: 1,000 pulses per second. Thus each pulse has about 1 millijoule of energy.

Not much, eh?

But this is an ultrafast laser, meaning that the individual pulses are very short - less than a picosecond in duration. In my case about 30 femtoseconds, or 3*10^-14 seconds.

Energy is delivered over an area; with adaptive optics this laser can be focused to a spot size of about one wavelength: 800 nanometers; round it up to 10^-4 centimeters (1 micron).

Putting this all together gives an energy flux of 10^-3 joules/pi*(10^-4 centimeters)^2 =
10^5 joules/cm^2/pi = 3*10^4 joules/cm^2.

Apply this energy flux over the very brief pulse duration and the power per unit of area is:
3*10^4 joules/cm^2/3*10^-14 seconds = 10^18 watts/cm^2. Actually we can do a bit better, and the actual output is slightly over 10^19 watts/cm^2.

This power flux is sufficient to generate electron-positron pairs when striking a metal target in vacuum - and has done so.

So you see that it is possible to increase power by quite a bit - but at each step the equipment becomes more specialized and expensive!

But like so many things, the scaling laws give less and less as you put in more and more - so unlimited power flux is beyond reach.
 
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