Why did the red color fade in the reaction between substance x(2+) and y(2+)?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a Year 11 chemistry problem involving the fading of a red color in a reaction between substance x(2+) and y(2+). Participants explore the reaction mechanism and reasons for the cessation of the reaction, considering various chemical concepts such as redox reactions and equilibrium.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the reaction could be a redox reaction, where y(2+) is reduced and x(2+) is oxidized.
  • Others propose that if x is a solid, it may not be in its ionic state, indicating a possible redox interaction between x and y(2+).
  • A participant mentions that the red color fading does not imply complete disappearance, suggesting that an equilibrium might have been reached instead.
  • There is a discussion about whether the reaction mechanism can be proposed for a redox reaction, with some arguing that it may not be applicable due to the nature of electron transfer.
  • One participant points out that the reaction may not proceed to completion due to the surface area of the metal strip affecting the reaction rate.
  • Another participant discusses the potential for the reaction to reach equilibrium based on differing standard EMF potentials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the reaction is a redox reaction or if it has reached equilibrium. There is no consensus on the exact nature of the reaction mechanism or the reasons for the cessation of the reaction.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the question is aimed at Year 11 students, which may imply that the expected answers are simpler than the complexities discussed. There are also references to the importance of surface area in reactions involving solids.

22-16
Year 11 chemistry problem the whole class is stuck on and our regular teacher is away for a month:

A strip of substance x(2+) is placed in a red solution of y(2+) (aq). After 3 hours the red colour becomes less intense. There is no change after this. Some x(2+) still remains.

a) write a reaction mechanism

b) explain why the reaction stopped



No problems with part b I just need help with the reaction mechanism.

Any help appreciated. Thanks.
 
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Any ideas anyone?
I really need some help on this.
 
Could it be a redox reaction?
 
If X is a solid it is most likely that it is not in its ionic state. Therefore it is most likely the case that there is a redox reaction btw X and Y 2+ (the ion being stabilized by water). The red color disappears since it is being converted to Y. Thus Y 2+ gains two electrons from X. X becomes 2+. Better have someone else check on this, they might be able to give you a better explanation.
 
Originally posted by 22-16
Year 11 chemistry problem the whole class is stuck on and our regular teacher is away for a month:

A strip of substance x(2+) is placed in a red solution of y(2+) (aq). After 3 hours the red colour becomes less intense. There is no change after this. Some x(2+) still remains.

a) write a reaction mechanism

b) explain why the reaction stopped


The guy above is right. Having ions in solid form is not common at all. It is indeed a redox reaction.
To make it look more familiar, just replace X2+ with Zn2+ and replace Y2+ with Cu2+. The reaction would be adding zinc to copper ions. The half reactions would look like this:
Zn --> Zn2+ + 2e-
Cu2+ + 2e- --> Cu

I don't really know what "write a reaction mechanism" means so I can't help with that.

Since the reaction ratio between the X2 and the Y2 is 1 to 1, the reaction stopped because the amount of X or X2 added was more than the amount of Y2 in the solution.
 
But it says the red color becomes less intense, it doesn't say it disappears, leading me to think that an equilibrium has been reached.
 
Originally posted by Monique
But it says the red color becomes less intense, it doesn't say it disappears, leading me to think that an equilibrium has been reached.

good point...but what kind of reaction would that make this? If not all of the red stuff reacts, would that mean this is NOT a redox reaction? What other kind of reaction would it be?
 
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Reaction mechanisms are primarily used in physical chemistry, ie kinetics and reaction rates. However if it is a redox reaction, I can't see how a mechanism can be proposed. After all, it is just a transfer of electrons, the species don't interact.

Given the question is asking for a mechanism, this leads me to believe it is in fact not a redox reaction. Judging by the reaction halting, it does look as if equilibrium has been reached.

You guys realize this is a year 11 question, so the answer is probably just staring at us :)

To the original poster: Is that the entire question?
 
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A redox reaction can reach equilibrium. Remember that each half reaction would have a different EMF; judging by this we can calculate K from the different standard EMF potentials. Correct me if I am wrong.
 
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I think so too, if the reduction potentials are not too far from each other..
 
  • #11
My humble opinion:

It was most likely a strip of a metal. The reactions may appear to be an equal equation, however, due to the surface area of the metal strip, it may not react with the inner core of the metal. Therefore, even though the equation balances, it does not ract to conclusion.

: I am trying to remember the old penny experiment from genchem. The surface area was an issue for this.
 

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