Why do clouds cast shadows in space?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of clouds casting shadows in space, exploring the mechanisms behind this effect, including diffraction, refraction, and the nature of light. Participants examine the conditions under which shadows are formed and the role of air and light sources in this context.

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  • Some participants suggest that diffraction due to the small size of air molecules might explain why clouds cast shadows, while questioning why diffraction effects are not commonly observed with air molecules.
  • Others argue that air is not opaque and question the necessity of diffraction for shadow formation, prompting a discussion on the nature of shadows and light blockage.
  • One participant notes that the size of the object casting a shadow affects its sharpness, with smaller objects leading to blurrier shadows due to diffraction effects.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes the role of the sun as an extended light source, suggesting that this geometry contributes to the gradual fading of shadows rather than sharp edges.
  • Some participants mention mirages as examples of air affecting light, discussing how changes in air density can lead to diffraction and refraction, impacting light transmissibility.
  • A later reply distinguishes between mirages and shadows, indicating that while air can redirect light, it may not fit the traditional definition of casting a shadow.
  • One participant asserts that clouds in space can cast shadows by scattering light, reducing its intensity, regardless of whether light behaves as waves or particles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the mechanisms behind shadow formation, with no consensus reached on the primary factors involved or the definitions of shadows in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions about light behavior, the definitions of shadows, and the influence of different light sources, which remain unresolved throughout the discussion.

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I am guessing this is due to diffraction due to the small size of the molecules of air. But then, we never see diffraction effects (interference) for any arrangement or configuration of molecules in space?
 
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Can you expand the question a bit?

A shadow normally forms when an opaque object block light. Air isn't opaque so why does it need a mechanism like diffraction to stop it making shadows?
 
Just like the post above, but I'd like to add a few more details.

Have you ever looked at your shadow when it bright and sunny? Move your hand further away from the ground... what will happen is that the shadow will look blurry. Why? As the above stated, diffraction comes into effect BUT more importantly, the smaller the object, the smaller the shadow. The smaller the shadow, the less diffraction is needed to hide or remove the shadow.

So, simply, in a pinch, you could say that Air molecules are too small and light doesn't tend to hit them.

Also note that light reflects off of objects too! So that means that light hits a single spot from multiple angles.
That is why you can the the ground even though there is a shadow.
 
FilupSmith said:
Have you ever looked at your shadow when it bright and sunny? Move your hand further away from the ground... what will happen is that the shadow will look blurry. Why? As the above stated, diffraction comes into effect BUT more importantly, the smaller the object, the smaller the shadow. The smaller the shadow, the less diffraction is needed to hide or remove the shadow.

I think this may have more to do with the sun not being a point-like light source, but an extended one. At the edge of the shadow you will have some of the ground that is blocked from the entire light source, but as you keep going, more of the light source is visible to the ground, leading to a gradual fading instead of a sharp edge.
 
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shadow to human eye implies absence of light, why would air cast shadow when most of the light passes through it.
 
A mirage is an example of air casting 'shadows'. Changes in air density causes both diffraction and refraction. The transmissibility of light through air is affected both by temperature gradients and turbulence.
 
Chronos said:
A mirage is an example of air casting 'shadows'. Changes in air density causes both diffraction and refraction. The transmissibility of light through air is affected both by temperature gradients and turbulence.

In this case the air is acting like a lens, focusing and redirecting light to different places than it would otherwise land. I personally wouldn't put this in the same category as casting a shadow, but that's just me. I suppose you can if you want to.
 
The vast clouds of gas, out there in space, do actually 'cast shadows' when they lie between a source and an observer. By scattering light, they will reduce the intensity of the light traveling through them.

This would happen whether light consisted of waves or corpuscles.
Have you ever looked at your shadow when it bright and sunny? Move your hand further away from the ground... what will happen is that the shadow will look blurry.
It's a matter of geometry, not diffraction (remember the School diagram with Umbra and Penumbra?)
 

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