Why do Dirac spinors obey the Klein-Gordon equation?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between Dirac spinors and the Klein-Gordon (KG) equation, establishing that solutions to the Dirac equation also satisfy the KG equation. This is demonstrated through the derivation involving the Dirac equation, where the operator multiplication leads to the KG equation, confirming that Dirac fields describe particles with mass. The conversation highlights the significance of the on-shell condition and the implications of relativistic wave equations in quantum field theory.

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  • Understanding of the Dirac equation and its implications in quantum mechanics.
  • Familiarity with the Klein-Gordon equation and its role in describing scalar fields.
  • Knowledge of relativistic wave equations and their mathematical representations.
  • Basic concepts of quantum field theory, including Fock spaces and field operators.
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  • Examine the physical significance of the on-shell condition in quantum field theory.
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This discussion is beneficial for theoretical physicists, quantum field theorists, and students studying advanced quantum mechanics, particularly those interested in the interplay between spinor fields and scalar fields.

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The solutions to the Dirac equation are also solutions of the Klein-Gordon equation, which is the equation of motion for the real scalar field. I can see that the converse is not true, but why do spinors follow the equation for real-field particles? Is there any physical meaning to it?
 
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Sure, any free-particle mode for a particle with mass ##m## must obey the "on-shell condition" ##p^2=m^2## (in units where \hbar=c=1). Thus the fields must obey the free KG equation
$$(\Box+m^2) \psi=(\partial_{\mu} \partial^{\mu} + m^2)\psi=0.$$
That's true for the Dirac equation, because you have
$$(\mathrm{i} \not{\partial}-m) \psi=0.$$
This implies of course
$$(\mathrm{i} \not{\partial}+m)(\mathrm{i} \not{\partial}-m) \psi=0$$
Now multiply out the operator. You get
$$(-\not{\partial}^2-m^2)\psi = 0 \qquad (*),$$
but now
$$\not{\partial}^2=\gamma^{\mu} \gamma^{\nu} \partial_{\mu} \partial_{\nu}.$$
Since the partial derivatives commute this gives from the Dirac-matrices' anti-commutation relations (Clifford algebra of Minkowski space!)
$$\not{\partial}^2= \frac{1}{2} [\gamma^{\mu},\gamma^{\nu}]_+ \partial_{\mu} \partial_{\nu} = g^{\mu \nu} \partial_{\mu} \partial_{\nu} = \Box,$$
and thus (*) is just the proof that the Dirac field describes really particles with mass ##m##.
 
If you square the Dirac Equation, you get the Klein-Gordon equation. So any solution of the Dirac Equation is a solution of the Klein-Gordon equation.
 
Thank you both. I already see how to go from the Dirac equation to the KG. My question was: how is it possible that spinors, which are the particles of the Dirac field, follow the equation of motion of the real scalar field particles. It just weirds me out.

vanhees71 said:
Sure, any free-particle mode for a particle with mass ##m## must obey the "on-shell condition" ##p^2=m^2## (in units where \hbar=c=1). Thus the fields must obey the free KG equation.

Does it mean that all free field operators obey the KG on top of their own equation of motion? Is there any significance to the real scalar field only obeying KG?
 
Moving beyond single-particle states, quantum fields are operators on mutli-particle states (Fock spaces), and quantum fields for spin 0 and spin 1/2 satisfy different commutation/anti-commutation relations.
 
I might also point out the components of E and B fields of electromagnetism obey a wave equation ##(m = 0)##. The reasons are relativity and the fact that space time is homogeneous and isotropic.
 
carllacan said:
Thank you both. I already see how to go from the Dirac equation to the KG. My question was: how is it possible that spinors, which are the particles of the Dirac field, follow the equation of motion of the real scalar field particles. It just weirds me out.

Does it mean that all free field operators obey the KG on top of their own equation of motion? Is there any significance to the real scalar field only obeying KG?
I don't see, what's weird about it. What don't you understand about my derivation?

The key to the full understanding, why relativistic wave equations look the way they look is the representation theory of the Poincare group. See, e.g., my QFT lecture notes:

http://th.physik.uni-frankfurt.de/~hees/publ/lect.pdf
 
carllacan said:
Thank you both. I already see how to go from the Dirac equation to the KG. My question was: how is it possible that spinors, which are the particles of the Dirac field, follow the equation of motion of the real scalar field particles. It just weirds me out.
There is nothing strange about it. Consider some quantity ##f(t)## satisfying first-order differential equation
$$\frac{df}{dt}=0$$
Obviously, it follows that this quantity also satisfies the second order differential equation
$$\frac{d^2f}{dt^2}=0$$
 
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No, I don't see anything wrong or weird with the math. It is just that I found it curious that the Dirac field obeyed the equation for the scalar real field, and I though there might be some interesting physics behind the fact, like fermions and scalar real particles having some common property, or fermions being scalar real field particles with an additional characteristic, or somethin.

But I guess the fact that none of you understood what I meant means that there's actually nothing interesting about it after all.

Thanks for your answers.
 

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