Why do electromagnetic waves oscillate?

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The discussion centers around the nature of electromagnetic (EM) waves, specifically what constitutes the oscillation within these waves. Participants explore the relationship between photons and the oscillating electric and magnetic fields, as well as the underlying concepts of energy storage in these fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions what exactly is oscillating in electromagnetic waves, pondering whether photons travel in a sinusoidal path or if the wave pattern represents the probability distribution of photons.
  • Another participant asserts that the photon is the wave, emphasizing that the energy of a photon propagates as a wave with oscillating fields, rather than being a particle that behaves like a wave.
  • A later reply seeks to clarify the nature of the oscillating fields, asking what they are made of and how energy is stored within those waves.
  • One participant provides historical context, mentioning the concept of the Luminiferous Aether and its relation to the development of the Theory of Relativity, while also explaining the nature of electric and gravitational fields and their potentials.
  • The explanation includes a comparison between electric and gravitational fields, noting that electric potential can oscillate while gravitational potential does not.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the nature of oscillation in EM waves, with some asserting that photons embody the wave while others seek deeper understanding of the fields involved. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the fundamental nature of electromagnetic waves.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference historical theories and concepts, such as the Luminiferous Aether, which may not be universally accepted today. The discussion also touches on the definitions of electric and magnetic potentials, which may depend on specific interpretations and assumptions.

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Hi everyone,

I have a specific question regarding the nature of electromagnetic waves. I understand he basics of EM waves (frequency, amplitude, wavelength, etc.) and that 'it' is a pair of oscillating fields; one electric and one magnetic, perpendicular to the direction of travel.

What I want to understand is, *what* exactly is oscillating?

I know that all EM radiation is composed of photons... but are the photons themselves traveling a sinusoidal path through space? I suspect not. Is the EM wave pattern simply the total sum of the probabilities of the location of the photons at any given moment?

I am hoping someone can help answer this question for me (and that I've asked it correctly!).
 
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The Photon IS the wave. More specifically, the energy of a photon propegates AS a wave with oscillating fields. The photon isn't a little ball that travels through space which simply acts like a wave because we can't find the particle.

I believe the FAQ in the general physics forum has more info on this.
 
Drakkith said:
The Photon IS the wave. More specifically, the energy of a photon propegates AS a wave with oscillating fields. The photon isn't a little ball that travels through space which simply acts like a wave because we can't find the particle.

Ok, so I worded the question badly. ;)

I'm trying to determine what the "oscillating fields" are made of. How is the energy stored in those waves? What comprises those fields? (Again, sorry if I'm just not 'getting it')

Drakkith said:
I believe the FAQ in the general physics forum has more info on this.

Thanks, I'll check it out.
 
Hello ScottWallace, that is a very good question (yes you asked it quite correctly) that occupied the minds of some of the greatest physicists for centuries.

There was once a proposal that the oscillating 'substance' was called the Lumeniferous Aether and the (unsuccessful) search for it lead to the Theory of Relativity.

To try to answer your question I will concentrate on the electric field.

What do we mean by an electric field?
Well it is a zone of space where susceptible objects willl be influenced by it. That is they will experience a force. This is similar to the gravitational field.

Now we know that the potential energy of an object in a gravitational field depends upon its position (height above surface). We can also say that the 'gravitational potential' at any point is some specific value. This potential has the same value, regardless of the object that is placed at that point. The potential energy is the value of the 'potential' multiplied by the mass.

We can do a similar thing with an electric field. We say that there is an 'electric potentia'l at any point. The potential energy of a charge is the potential multiplied by the charge.

Now the big difference is that, so far as we know, gravity does not oscillate ( gravity waves have been postulated) but the electric potential can indeed oscillate.

Now neither potential' needs a medium they both function perfectly well in a vacuum.

We can develop a similar argument for a magnetic potential.

So the wave is an oscillatory disturbance in the potential of the electric field.

Hope this helps.
 

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