Why do farther away objects appear smaller

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of why objects that are farther away appear smaller, using examples such as the moon as seen from Earth. Participants explore the geometric and perceptual aspects of this concept, touching on various theoretical and practical implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the apparent size of an object is determined by the angle it subtends at the observer's eye, which decreases as distance increases.
  • Others illustrate this concept using geometric diagrams and analogies, such as holding a hand in front of the face and moving it away to show how background visibility changes without a change in hand size.
  • One participant mentions that perceived size is influenced by surrounding objects and context, noting the moon's apparent size change when near the horizon.
  • Some participants propose that if humans had flat eyes instead of lenses, objects would appear the same size regardless of distance, leading to discussions about imaging systems like CCDs.
  • There are claims that having two eyes allows for depth perception and contributes to the perception of size reduction, with some emphasizing the geometric triangle formed by the eyes and the object.
  • Another participant points out that the size of distant objects is also smaller in images produced by single-eye systems, such as cameras, due to similar geometric principles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the geometric basis for why distant objects appear smaller, but there are competing views regarding the implications of this phenomenon, particularly concerning the role of perception and the effects of different visual systems.

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Some discussions involve assumptions about visual perception and the nature of imaging systems, which may not be fully resolved. The role of context and surrounding objects in perceived size is also noted but not conclusively defined.

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Why do objects that are farther away appear smaller. The moon for example looks small from earth, but I don't understand why.
 
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It's geometry. The angle between two parts of an object gets smaller as the distance from them increases. You can draw a diagram.
 
Scheuerf said:
Why do objects that are farther away appear smaller. The moon for example looks small from earth, but I don't understand why.

The apparent size of an object is (pretty much by definition) the angle that it subtends across our field of view. If you keep the size of the object constant while you increase the distance to the object, that angle gets smaller. Draw a few right triangles with the same length for one of the sides meeting and the right angle and different lengths for the other side meeting at the right angle, compare the angle opposite the fixed side, and you'll see this effect clearly.
 
Or try this one:
Hold your hand in front of your face so that nearly everything in the background is obscured by it.
Most of your field of view sees your only your hand.
Now move your hand away to arm length - Now you can see more of what is in the background right?
Did your hand actually get smaller?, no, it just got further away.
 
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Scheuerf ; You asked: Why do objects that are farther away appear smaller. The moon for example looks small from earth, but I don't understand why.

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An object's apparent size{ visual angle in astronomy } is the angle it subtends at the eye. See Wikipedia, "visual angle" for drawing. Plain old geometry.The larger or closer the object, the bigger the angle and bigger the real though upside down image on the eye. Our brain's"computer" enhances and rights the image and ultimately uses past experience to give the perceived size. A close basketball appears bigger, a far basketball appears smaller. Our brain knows better most of the time. Perceived size is also affected by surrounding objects like the horizon.The brain is fooled. Notice how huge the moon or sun seems to get as it approaches the horizon. A rather striking effect.View the moon through a paper tube to eliminate peripheral cues and the size appears the same.
 
Some say that objects, even people, actually shrink, the further they are. This is peripherally supported by the related theory: Out of Sight, Out of Mind.
 
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So if we had flat eyes and not lenses, then objects would appear to be the same size no matter ho far a way they were?
Surely this is possible to emulate with a CCD that had no lens to concentrate the light ?
 
johnEHDS said:
So if we had flat eyes and not lenses, then objects would appear to be the same size no matter ho far a way they were? Surely this is possible to emulate with a CCD that had no lens to concentrate the light ?
You wouldn't see any objects at all.
 
johnEHDS said:
So if we had flat eyes and not lenses, then objects would appear to be the same size no matter ho far a way they were?
Surely this is possible to emulate with a CCD that had no lens to concentrate the light ?
You'd need telecentric lens for it: http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/3d/telecent.htm
 
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johnEHDS said:
So if we had flat eyes and not lenses, then objects would appear to be the same size no matter ho far a way they were?
Surely this is possible to emulate with a CCD that had no lens to concentrate the light ?
A bare sensor with no lens doesn't focus light to create an image.
 
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The reason that objects become smaller with radial or linear distance is because we have two eyes and view objects from each eye creating a triangle from the object to the location of each eye. The brain coordinates both views into a single image. The coordination of separate views creates as triangle that will show the exact rate of visual size reduction based on the distance from the object to the point where both eyes see the same object in perfect focus or it disappears from visible sight. This a simple but accurate explanation. I hope this helpful!
 
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Having two eyes and all that is related to the way our brain can estimate distance to objects and give us the sensation of 3D vision.

However, the size of distant objects is smaller even in images given by a single "eye" systems, like a photographic camera.
Similarly, the image of distant objects on the retina is indeed smaller and fewer sensor cells are excited. The triangle to be considered for this is the one with the point in the eye and the base on the objects. The angle at the eye is smaller as the (same) object gets farther away.
This angle can be increased by optical system like tele-objectives or telescopes and then we feel that the object looks larger.
 

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