Why do gravitational waves propagate at the speed of light?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the propagation speed of gravitational waves, specifically questioning why they travel at the speed of light and exploring the implications of this within the context of existing theories of physics. Participants examine the relationship between gravitational waves, quantum entanglement, and the expansion of space, as well as the theoretical foundations that dictate the speed of gravitational wave propagation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why gravitational waves cannot travel faster than light if phenomena like quantum entanglement and the expansion of space are suggested to do so.
  • Others argue that the speed of gravitational waves is derived from solving equations in general relativity, which predict that they propagate at the speed of light, implying that any deviation would necessitate a new theory of gravity.
  • A participant clarifies that quantum entanglement and the expansion of space do not actually travel faster than light, as they do not involve traditional propagation through space.
  • It is noted that the propagation of gravitational waves is governed by a wave equation derived from the Einstein field equations, which enforces that they cannot exceed the speed of light to avoid causality violations.
  • Some participants assert that while gravitational waves are predicted to travel at the speed of light, the claim of 100 percent proof remains open to discussion, referencing the recent detection of gravitational waves as consistent with general relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of faster-than-light phenomena and whether they can be analogously applied to gravitational waves. There is no consensus on the implications of quantum entanglement and the expansion of space in relation to gravitational wave propagation.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the nature of quantum entanglement and the expansion of space may depend on specific definitions and interpretations, which are not fully explored in this thread. The discussion also highlights the complexity of the relationship between different physical theories and their implications for the speed of gravitational waves.

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If things such as quantum entanglement and the expansion of space can travel faster than light, then why can't gravitational waves, which are vibrations of spacetime? I thought that only matter cannot move through space faster than light. Also, has it been 100 percent proven that gravity waves travel at the speed of light?
 
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The speed of propagation of gravitational waves is derived in the process of solving a system of equations. In the solution, it turns out they propagate at the speed of light. So it's not a matter of 'could they travel faster?' It's simply that the theory predicts, via the equations, that that's the speed at which they will propagate. If they propagated at any other speed we'd need a new theory of gravity.
 
KarminValso1724 said:
If things such as quantum entanglement and the expansion of space can travel faster than light
Neither of those travel faster than light... Because they aren't traveling at all.

(What they are doing is a good topic for another thread, but both have been extensively discussed in older threads please so don't start that thread until you've read what's already out there).
 
KarminValso1724 said:
If things such as quantum entanglement and the expansion of space can travel faster than light, then why can't gravitational waves, which are vibrations of spacetime?

In classical electromagnetism, it follows from Maxwell's equations that the propagation of electromagnetic radiation is governed by a certain wave equation which dictates that it does so at the speed of light. Likewise, the Einstein field equations imply that the propagation of gravitational waves is governed by a wave equation which dictates that this happens no faster than the speed of light; that is quite simply what the respective laws of physics demand. I suppose you can think about it as nature's way to ensure that there is no possibility of causality violations.
 
KarminValso1724 said:
If things such as quantum entanglement and the expansion of space can travel faster than light, then why can't gravitational waves, which are vibrations of spacetime? I thought that only matter cannot move through space faster than light. Also, has it been 100 percent proven that gravity waves travel at the speed of light?

Saying that entanglement and the expansion of space "travel faster than light" is misleading, because entanglement and the expansion of space can't be used to send faster than light (FTL) signals (that the expansion of space can't be used to send FTL signals is evident, that entanglement can't be used to send FTL signals is a proven result of quantum mechanics).

Gravitational waves are solutions of Einstein's field equations of general relativity, which predict gravitational waves traveling at the speed of light. The recent detection of gravitational waves from merging black holes (LIGO experiment) seems entirely consistent with general relativity.
 

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