Why do hydrogen and atom bombs have such force?

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The discussion centers on the mechanisms behind the immense energy release in hydrogen and atomic bombs, exploring concepts related to nuclear fission and fusion, the strong nuclear force, and mass-energy conversion as described by Einstein's equation E=mc². Participants delve into the underlying physics, including binding energies and the nature of nuclear reactions.

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  • Some participants propose that the energy release is due to the strong nuclear force being released during nuclear reactions.
  • Others argue that the energy comes from mass to energy conversion during fission (in atomic bombs) and fusion (in hydrogen bombs), referencing Einstein's formula E=mc².
  • A participant explains the process of fission in detail, mentioning the formation of excited nuclei and the subsequent release of energy in the form of kinetic energy and radiation.
  • Another participant notes that while the concept of mass defect applies to both nuclear and chemical reactions, the binding energies in nuclear reactions are significantly larger, leading to greater energy release.
  • Some contributions highlight that hydrogen, being the simplest element, allows for easier energy release compared to heavier elements, although this point is contested regarding its application in bomb design.
  • A later reply clarifies that in hydrogen bombs, a fission bomb is typically used as a trigger for the fusion reaction, indicating a more complex interaction than just the properties of hydrogen alone.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the sources of energy in nuclear reactions, with no consensus reached on the primary mechanisms or the implications of the strong nuclear force in this context.

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Some discussions involve assumptions about the nature of nuclear forces and binding energies, and there are unresolved questions about the specifics of energy release in different types of nuclear reactions.

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Does it have to do with the strong nuclear force holding the atoms together being released?
 
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Why do hydrogen and atom bombs have such force? (re-post I)

Does it have to do with the strong nuclear force holding the atoms together being released?

This is a re-post I posted the original one in the wrong section, sorry. Please b detailed but now to detailed, I am only in 8th grade.
 
The energy of these bombs comes from the mass to energy conversion resulting from fission (A bomb) or fusion (H bomb), from Einstein's famous formula E=mc2.
 


H-bombs (fusion) and A-bombs (fission) get their energy from mass to energy conversion, based on Einstein's formula E=mc2.
 


Biologik said:
Does it have to do with the strong nuclear force holding the atoms together being released?

This is a re-post I posted the original one in the wrong section, sorry. Please b detailed but now to detailed, I am only in 8th grade.
The energy is related to the nuclear force, which somewhat related to the strong force.

The nuclear force is now understood as a residual effect of an even more powerful strong force, or strong interaction, which is the attractive force that binds particles called quarks together, to form the nucleons themselves. This more powerful force is mediated by particles called gluons. Gluons hold quarks together with a force like that of electric charge, but of far greater power.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_force

In fission, the excited U-236 nucleus (formed form the absorption of a neutron by a U-235 nucleus) or an excited Pu-240 nucleus (formed from the absorption of a neutron by a Pu-239 nucleus) fissions or splits into two new atoms, some free electrons and maybe some prompt gammas. The energy immediately released is about 180 MeV or so. More delayed energy is released in beta decay and gamma emission. The two new atoms move apart with about 165 MeV, with one having an energy of about 90-100 MeV and the other about 65-75 MeV. One (1) electron volt (eV) of kinetic energy is equivalent to 11605 K, so 1 MeV = 11.6 billion K and 100 MeV is about 1.16 trillion K. However, the fission products slam into other atoms and rapidly loose energy and that energy heats up the other solid atoms until the solid mass vaporizes at several 100 million K in several microseconds. It's that hot plasma and the beta, gamma and X-ray radiation that give off the tremendous heat and blast.

Fusion occurs when lighter nuclei, usually isotopes of hydrogen (deuterium or tritium) fuse with each other, or other light nuclei like Li-6. The composite nucleus reconfigures and divides into a lower mass configuration with more tightly bound nuclei. The fusion products move apart with kinetic energies of 1 MeV or more, so the temperatures are on the order of a 100's of millions K.

It is the binding energy that is release in the form of kinetic energy of the fission products or fusion products that causes the tremendous energy release for atomic or hydrogen bombs.

The Strong Nuclear Force and Binding Energy
http://theory.uwinnipeg.ca/mod_tech/node178.html

http://phy.syr.edu/courses/PHY106.03Spring/Slides/PPT/Lec36-StrongForce.ppt

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nucene/nucbin.html
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nuclear/radact.html
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nuclear/liqdrop.html
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nucene/fission.html
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nucene/fusion.html
 
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Although it is not wrong to say that the energy released by a nuclear reaction comes from the mass difference between initial and final state (the "mass defect") this is just as well the case with a chemical reaction, where the energy released of, say, petrol burning in a combustion engine ALSO "comes from the mass difference between the initial and final state".
The only difference is that this chemical mass defect is much smaller than the nuclear mass defect, and this comes... because the nuclear binding energies are larger than the chemical binding energies. So we came to a full circle. In relativity, you can equate "released energy" and "mass defect", no matter the physical interaction that is responsible for the bond.

So what's really the reason for that large amount of released energy ? Well, simply that the nucleus' binding energies are much larger, that is to say, the forces that keep together the protons and neutrons in a nucleus are much stronger than the forces that keep the electrons in the atoms and molecules.

And why do people always bring up this "mass defect" ? Because the energy differences in nuclear reactions are so large that the mass defect becomes easily measurable, which is not the case for (most) chemical reactions.
 
So much energy is released becouse:
In an atom their is locked lots of joules of energy,but the heavier the atom the more energy but the harder to release it
hydrogen is the simplest element so it is easyer to release it, so every atom has ltos of energy it is just that hydrogen is the simplest to unlock it.
 
nickthrop101 said:
So much energy is released becouse:
In an atom their is locked lots of joules of energy,but the heavier the atom the more energy but the harder to release it
hydrogen is the simplest element so it is easyer to release it, so every atom has ltos of energy it is just that hydrogen is the simplest to unlock it.

Sorry Nick, but that doesn't quite cut it. Hydrogen is certainly the simplest element, but in weapons applications a U-235 or Pu-239 fission bomb is use as the trigger for the subsequent inertial-confinement fusion reaction that makes it an H-bomb. Wrap a secondary jacket of U-238 around that, and you have a neutron bomb.
 

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