Why do only low-pressure gases emit a line spectrum?

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The discussion revolves around the reasons why only low-pressure gases emit a line spectrum, contrasting this with the continuous spectrum emitted by solids, liquids, and high-pressure gases. The scope includes theoretical explanations related to atomic energy levels and quantum mechanics.

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  • Some participants propose that nearby atoms influence the energy levels in atoms, which is negligible in low-pressure gases but significant in solids and liquids.
  • One participant explains that the presence of additional atoms creates a range of energy levels, leading to a band structure rather than distinct lines.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the Pauli Exclusion Principle affects the energy states of atoms, suggesting that interactions among atoms lead to broader spectral lines in higher pressure environments.
  • There is a discussion about the complexity of quantum systems when multiple atoms are involved, indicating that the number of quantum numbers required to describe the system increases with more atoms.
  • Some participants note that photons emitted from solids or dense gases may not escape to be observed, raising questions about visibility and detection of emitted light.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the Pauli Exclusion Principle and the nature of quantum systems, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of quantum systems and the assumptions about atomic interactions in different states of matter. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of energy level interactions or the visibility of emitted photons.

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I'm recently studying Bohr's model. My textbook claims that only low-pressure gases emit a line spectrum while solids, liquids and high-pressure gases emit light with a continuous range but why?
 
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Nearby atoms influence the energy levels in atoms, lowering or raising them a bit. In a low pressure gas this can be negligible, in solids and liquids it's very important.
 
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mfb said:
Nearby atoms influence the energy levels in atoms, lowering or raising them a bit. In a low pressure gas this can be negligible, in solids and liquids it's very important.
How exactly does the change of energy level result in a continuous spectrum? Could you please explain it in detail?
 
Suppose one atom has an energy level ay E, Bring another one nearby and you have a level at E + δ and a level at E - δ where δ is a small number. Add more atoms and you get more levels, until it looks like a band, not a line.
 
Jason Ko said:
only low-pressure gases emit a line spectrum
The Pauli Exclusion Principle says that no two atoms can have precisely the same quantum levels and we never look at just one atom. The precise energy level of a system will be affected by more than the 'simple' fields that the theory suggests for a single atom; nearby atoms affect each other and the more and the closer they are means a (albeit narrow) range of energy states exists and lines 'broaden'.
Even in a low pressure gas, the line spectrum could have a width. In a high pressure gas, the interaction is higher and at high temperatures, there can be doppler shift too. In 'condensed matter' you cannot get line spectra because there is a continuum of energy states and you get bands.
 
sophiecentaur said:
The Pauli Exclusion Principle says that no two atoms can have precisely the same quantum levels and we never look at just one atom.
And there I was, thinking that the Pauli Exclusion Principle dictated that no two electrons (generally fermions), within a quantum system (one atom), could share the same quantum state at the same time.

Photons emitted by a solid, or by a dense gas or plasma, do not tend to escape to be seen.
 
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Baluncore said:
And there I was, thinking that the Pauli Exclusion Principle dictated that no two electrons (generally fermions), within a quantum system (one atom), could share the same quantum state at the same time.
The point is (imo) that there are more "quantum systems" than just single atoms. As soon as two atoms get within range of each other you have a quantum system. We were told about Pauli in the simple context of the Hydrogen atom and that system can be described by just four quantum numbers. Bring two or more atoms near each other and the total number of quantum numbers needed to describe the system 'fully' increases as the potential energy between them becomes significant. Molecular Hydrogen has a much more complicated spectral line structure.
When the pressure is high enough, the nearby molecules have a mutual effect and, still under the influence of Pauli the basic atomic energy states 'squeeze each other apart'. In solids, the interaction between atoms is much higher so the lines spread out into bands.
And, of course, Pauli accounts for electron degeneracy pressure in stars.
Baluncore said:
Photons emitted by a solid, or by a dense gas or plasma, do not tend to escape to be seen
Just cos you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not happening. Glass is a transparent solid and you can see photons released inside it.
 

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