Why Do Power and Torque Curves Differ Between Imperial and Metric Systems?

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The discussion revolves around the differences in power and torque curves when using imperial versus metric systems in the context of rotational power calculations. Participants explore the equations used for converting horsepower to torque and the implications for plotting these curves in both systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the equation for converting horsepower to torque and questions the differences observed when plotting in metric versus imperial systems.
  • Another participant provides the metric conversion factor of 9549 and suggests that the original poster may have overlooked the factor of 1000 in their calculations.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the typical curves and their intersection points, questioning how to achieve the expected curves in their plots.
  • One participant distinguishes between the torque-speed characteristics of automotive engines and electric motors, explaining that different types of motors can exhibit varying torque and power curve behaviors.
  • Several participants confirm that their own plotting methods yield satisfactory results, indicating a divergence in experiences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the reasons for the differences in power and torque curves between the two systems. There are multiple competing views regarding the interpretation of "typical curves" and the characteristics of different types of motors.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in understanding the derivation of conversion factors and the specific characteristics of different motor types, which may affect the expected outcomes in plotting power and torque curves.

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Hi all..

I've been seeing the famous equation which 'converts' horsepower into torque: HP = Torque (lb/ft) * rpm / 5252. The 1/5252 comes from 2*PI/33,000.

Power (rotational) is simply torque * angular velocity, isn't it? When I try to plot the imperial version, I get the typical graph with HP and torque intersecting at 5252rpm. But when I try to plot the same torque values in metric using Power (kW) = Torque (Nm) * rpm * 2*PI/60, I get something wayy different with the power and torque curves not even intersecting.

Am I missing out on something? =/
 
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P(kW) = \frac{T(Nm) * \omega (rpm)}{9549}

The 9549 comes from \frac{60*1000}{2 \pi}
You're forgetting the factor of 1000 by the looks of it.
 
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Ah.. so that's how. I've seen this 9549 number before, but couldn't figure out how it was derived. Thanks!

But I've tried plotting typical values for torque for this equation, and I still don't get the typical curves. That equation means the curves will intersect at 9545rpm isn't it? How do we get the typical curve intersecting somewhere in the middle?
 
What do you mean by the "typical curves?" Do you mean for an automotive engine or for an electric motor? These motors have different characteristics that can make the torque-rpm and power-rpm curves very different.

For example, a typical DC motor torque-speed curve has a flat (constant-torque) region from 0 RPM up to some "base speed," at which point the torque starts to decrease as the speed increases (constant-power region). If you were to overlay a power-speed curve, it would start at zero and increase linearly up to the base speed, at which point it would level off. The curves would not necessarily intersect at the same speed, torque, or power for all DC electric motors. What is true, however, is that at any point on the curve, the torque-power-speed relationship that you and Fred posted holds.

-Kerry
 
It works for me just fine
 

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FredGarvin said:
It works for me just fine
You use Excel for these quick plots?
 
mheslep said:
You use Excel for these quick plots?
Yup.
 

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