Why Do Royal Weddings Get So Much Attention?

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The discussion centers around the cultural significance and public interest in royal weddings, particularly in the context of British monarchy and its evolving traditions. Participants explore various perspectives on the royal family, potential changes in succession laws, and the public's reaction to royal events.

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  • Some participants express indifference towards royal weddings, suggesting that they do not warrant significant attention unless personally involved.
  • Others propose that introducing an American-style competition for brides could increase viewership and excitement around royal weddings.
  • There is a discussion about the current title of Camilla, with some participants questioning the legal distinctions between "Princess Consort" and "Queen."
  • Some participants speculate on the future of the monarchy, including potential changes to succession laws that would allow daughters to be viewed equally to sons.
  • Concerns are raised about the public's fascination with royal weddings, particularly from American perspectives, with some questioning why it garners such attention.
  • Historical reflections on past royal figures, such as Diana, are shared, with mixed sentiments about their legacies and the implications for current royal events.
  • Some participants humorously comment on the public's expectations and the potential for future royal weddings to be more entertaining or engaging.

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Participants express a range of opinions, with no clear consensus on the significance of royal weddings or the future of the monarchy. Disagreements exist regarding the relevance of American influence and the titles held by royal family members.

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Participants reference historical and legal aspects of royal titles and succession, indicating a lack of clarity on certain points, particularly regarding the implications of divorce on titles and the potential for changes in succession laws.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring cultural perceptions of monarchy, the evolution of royal traditions, and public engagement with historical events.

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Until I get an invitation, I couldn't give more attention to the wedding than taking the time to post on the internet how little I care about the royal wedding. Enough already.

If they wanted to spice it up a bit, put an American twist on it and have 4 or 5 possible brides and they have to run a gauntlet to see who the new queen will be. That would probably make it the most watched world event in history. Add Snooky as a hopeful and you might possibly set an unbreakable record...
 
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Pattonias said:
If they wanted to spice it up a bit, put an American twist on it

Britain has enough "American influence" as it is, let's keep something British (even if I don't agree with the royal family).
to see who the new queen will be.

Well, strictly speaking isn't it going to be Camilla at the moment?

Charles is next in line to the throne. Don't think he'll ever get it, but still.
Add Snooky as a hopeful and you might possibly set an unbreakable record...

Yeah, worlds most unwatched event.
 
JaredJames said:
Well, strictly speaking isn't it going to be Camilla at the moment?
Not unless some of the rules get bent. The view of the established church about marriage may not be in line with the population at large, but it's kind of inconvenient if its own leader doesn't follow them!

Charles is next in line to the throne. Don't think he'll ever get it, but still.
I think there's a fair chance his mom will outlive him. After all, his gran made it past 100.

Still, we avoided the horror story that Queen Diana would have been. Queen Paris Hilton or Queen Amy Winehouse would have been better than that scenario.
 
AlephZero said:
Not unless some of the rules get bent. The view of the established church about marriage may not be in line with the population at large, but it's kind of inconvenient if its own leader doesn't follow them!

Well they're looking to change the rules to allow a daughter to be viewed equally to a son for succession. So who knows (doubtful, but you never know).
Still, we avoided the horror story that Queen Diana would have been. Queen Paris Hilton or Queen Amy Winehouse would have been better than that scenario.

Well I don't know what she was like, but from what I've seen everyone loved her.

Personally, I think the queen will hold on either to beat Victoria's reign or she'll step down after the jubilee next year.

Either way, I think it will go straight to William. It would be quite a nice transition, queen has her jubilee and then on to the new generation - could do a lot for the royals.
 
JaredJames said:
Well, strictly speaking isn't it going to be Camilla at the moment?

Camilla will take the title "Princess Consort" when Charles becomes king (though I'm not sure this is legally different to Queen).
 
I fear that by the time William gets the throne, Kate will no longer be a QILF.
 
JaredJames said:
I fear that by the time William gets the throne, Kate will no longer be a QILF.

Thank you for making my day better :smile:
 
cristo said:
Camilla will take the title "Princess Consort" when Charles becomes king (though I'm not sure this is legally different to Queen).
I'd prefer Mrs. King if I were her. Princess Consort sounds like someone the agency sent over.
 
cristo said:
Camilla will take the title "Princess Consort" when Charles becomes king (though I'm not sure this is legally different to Queen).

There are two types of queens: queen consort and queen regent (I think it's actually a slightly different word than that but I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader). A queen consort is just someone who's married to the king, a queen regent is the head honcho (so Queen Elizabeth is a queen regent).

There's a definite difference between princess consort and queen regent, but I don't believe there is a difference between princess consort and queen consort legally. From a PR point of view, I think the fact that they're divorced means you have to call her a princess instead of a queen or something like that
 
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I love royal weddings, I hope everything goes just perfectly for them.
 
  • #11
Office_Shredder said:
There are two types of queens: queen consort and queen regent

Queen regnant.

There's a definite difference between princess consort and queen regent, but I don't believe there is a difference between princess consort and queen consort legally.

At present, no, there is no difference because she will legally be queen. Whether this will change or not is unclear.

From a PR point of view, I think the fact that they're divorced means you have to call her a princess instead of a queen or something like that

She doesn't *have* to be called princess. This was something that was announced before Charles' wedding to Camilla in order to appease people, in a similar way to Camilla using the title Duchess of Cornwall. Legally she is the Princess of Wales, but in memory of Diana she won't use it.
 
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hypatia said:
I love royal weddings, I hope everything goes just perfectly for them.
I hope it goes off without a hitch.
 
  • #13
I hope its a good day for them. They've given me a free day off to play golf.
 
  • #14
I'm a bit confused why some of my fellow Americans give a toss about this wedding.

I wouldn't be as excited about my OWN wedding as people are about this wedding.
 
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JaredJames said:
Well they're looking to change the rules to allow a daughter to be viewed equally to a son for succession. So who knows (doubtful, but you never know).
Typical female logic. They have ruled Britain for 125 out of the last 175 years, and now they claim the system are biased against them :smile:
 
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AlephZero said:
Typical female logic. They have ruled Britain for 125 out of the last 175 years, and now they claim the system are biased against them :smile:
Reigned, not ruled.
 
  • #17
I wish them best, but I like this idea:

[PLAIN]http://www.brandnewfresh.com/wp-content/uploads/Royal-Wedding-Sick-Bag.jpg
 
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  • #18
Jimmy Snyder said:
Reigned, not ruled.

The prime minister of appointed to form a government by the monarch, not by electorate. And parliament can't create laws without royal assent.

Sure, the last time royal assent for a was refused was 300 years ago, but the rules of the game have never been changed...

(The procedure for appointing a PM was not entirely a theoretical matter after the 2010 election, when Brown holed himself up in his bunker rather than resigning)
 
  • #19
Jack21222 said:
I wouldn't be as excited about my OWN wedding as people are about this wedding.

Some people in the UK aren't getting over excited about it. I like this laid-back entry from the RAF Battle of Britain Memiorial Flight flying schedule. (LHS = Lancaster, Hurricane, Spitfire)
 

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JaredJames said:
Well I don't know what she [Diana] was like, but from what I've seen everyone loved her.

I think this is a good summing up, by Matthew Engels, Financial Times weekend magazine, 23/24 April.

In 1981, we had the excuse of innocence. We were all in thrall to the Cinderella myth that for any young woman, the jackpot of life's lottery is marrying a prince. But still, it is one thing for the silly social-climbing slattern in the pantomime to snub the loyal Buttons and follower her absurd fantasies. How on Earth was Diana suckered into marrying someone of completely different temperament nearly 13 years her senior - and more like a generation older in attitude? How did Charles, whose prime responsibility was to construct a decent marriage and produce the traditional heir and spare, choose someone so flighty, wilful and unsuitable? Diana was more like his wayward daughter. Except for a shared lineage that, one side of the blanket or another, could be traced back to James I, this was a couple that had nothing in common. He screwed up, as they say, royally.

The resulting disaster was played out at first in deepest privacy but untimately amid unimaginable publicity...

Better luck this time around.
 
  • #21
produce the traditional heir and spare

:smile:
 
  • #22
AlephZero said:
Better luck this time around.

Luck isn't really needed ths time, and William and Kate actually want to get married.
 
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  • #23
The Crown Prince of Yugoslavia will be attending. How special is that?

Interesting how the rules of monarchy work. Even though his father, the King of Yugoslavia, passed away, the Crown Prince can't ascend to the throne because the Yugoslavia he's Crown Prince of ceased to exist 4 months after he was born. But he doesn't lose his Crown Princehood just because his kingdom no longer exists.
 
  • #24
Oh I have to take it out of my system...

WHY do people get so excited about the wedding of one man? What's the big deal? Its all over the news, all over the world for some reason. I don't understand how people can derive so much joy from the life of another... and most of all, pay TAXES for them!

Seeing the news, the only difference I perceive from a Middle-Ages king's wedding is technology (and perhaps marrying with a commoner), the mentality is almost the same!
This is just... disgusting!

Ok Sorry!
 
  • #25
trelokamenos said:
WHY do people get so excited about the wedding of one man? What's the big deal? Its all over the news, all over the world for some reason. I don't understand how people can derive so much joy from the life of another... and most of all, pay TAXES for them!

Ah, that's right, it's not like they bring in huge amounts of cash to the UK.

You realize this wedding costs less than it brings in? No, because you're completely ignorant of the facts.
Seeing the news, the only difference I perceive from a Middle-Ages king's wedding is technology (and perhaps marrying with a commoner), the mentality is almost the same!
This is just... disgusting!

It's the royal family, when was the last wedding like this? Oh, of course, it was Diana's. So it's hardly a common affair.

This is the heritage of Great Britain. You wouldn't like it if I started ripping into your country and its traditions, would you?

Remember, people like my grandparents have seen a number of these starting with the Queen herself and so it's a very proud and exciting moment for her with a lot of memories and emotion.
 
  • #26
AlephZero said:
Some people in the UK aren't getting over excited about it. I like this laid-back entry from the RAF Battle of Britain Memiorial Flight flying schedule. (LHS = Lancaster, Hurricane, Spitfire)
I would love to see the LHS flights. Other than that, I can comfortably ignore the wedding. I can't believe the fuss/interest about this relationship.
 
  • #27
I'm only waiting for the fly by too. Couldn't care less about the wedding.

Still don't see why people want to attack it though. You'd swear it happened all the time.
 
  • #28
JaredJames said:
Ah, that's right, it's not like they bring in huge amounts of cash to the UK.

You realize this wedding costs less than it brings in? No, because you're completely ignorant of the facts.

I fail to see how its profitable, since taxes are being payed over a span of many years, the wedding is just one day. Unless you meant(or I understood) something else


JaredJames said:
It's the royal family, when was the last wedding like this? Oh, of course, it was Diana's. So it's hardly a common affair.

This is the heritage of Great Britain. You wouldn't like it if I started ripping into your country and its traditions, would you?

I wouldn't really care. I don't feel I have a nationality. It is a random fact that I was born in Greece so there, feel free to rip them, I don't care. I myself find it extremely stupid that we have to pay for military parades of students for the national aniverseries, when most of them don't care (actually do it to lose a day of school) or they are forced to it by threats of noting it as an absence in school (there is a number of absences one can afford before having to retake the same school year)


JaredJames said:
Remember, people like my grandparents have seen a number of these starting with the Queen herself and so it's a very proud and exciting moment for her with a lot of memories and emotion.

Ok maybe "disgusting" is a bad word and I'm sorry for that. But it is still pretty irrational I believe to still cling to those traditions. How is monarchy something to be proud of and to propagate through time? Why pay so much for something that has no benefit to society whatsoever, unless of coure I'm missing some benefit.
 
  • #29
trelokamenos said:
I fail to see how its profitable, since taxes are being payed over a span of many years, the wedding is just one day. Unless you meant(or I understood) something else

They bring in huge amounts of tourism and the wedding is certainly doing so. Not to mention the other work they do.
I wouldn't really care. I don't feel I have a nationality. It is a random fact that I was born in Greece so there, feel free to rip them, I don't care. I myself find it extremely stupid that we have to pay for military parades of students for the national aniverseries, when most of them don't care (actually do it to lose a day of school) or they are forced to it by threats of noting it as an absence in school (there is a number of absences one can afford before having to retake the same school year)

You're from Greece and speaking of the royal family being a waste? Only one of these countries has wasted tax payer money enough to bring it to the point of bankruptcy.
Ok maybe "disgusting" is a bad word and I'm sorry for that. But it is still pretty irrational I believe to still cling to those traditions.

Irrational, yes. But then why do Americans celebrate 4th July? It's tradition, it's their history.
How is monarchy something to be proud of and to propagate through time?

Again, I don't actually support them but none-the-less they are our history and it's not like they've had no influence on the world.

Anyway, Prince Phillip is Greek.
Why pay so much for something that has no benefit to society whatsoever, unless of coure I'm missing some benefit.

No benefit?

Well for one, look how many people have come together to support it. Again, this is without the money it brings in.

Your statements seem to be rather ignorant and are just striking out. Perhaps reading up on a few things before attacking again would be a good idea?
 
  • #30
JaredJames said:
You're from Greece and speaking of the royal family being a waste? Only one of these countries has wasted tax payer money enough to bring it to the point of bankruptcy.

Maybe that's why I'm so sensitive :P

I have nothing more to add. And searching the web for answers, I still don't see how all those controversial "benefits" can't be substituted by other means. But maybe that is a discussion for another thread :D
 

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