Why Do Systems Need to Dump Excess Entropy?

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Systems need to "dump" excess entropy to maintain thermodynamic equilibrium, as illustrated in Daniel Schroeder's Thermal Physics. In the operation of a fuel cell, 49 kJ of waste heat is expelled to manage this excess entropy associated with the gases involved. This process highlights that while energy flows from the fuel cell as heat, the concept of entropy does not imply a physical transfer from the cell to its surroundings; rather, it is a mathematical representation of thermodynamic states. The total entropy of the system increases as heat flows to the colder surroundings, which is where the entropy increase actually occurs.

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"Dumping" Entropy

Hello everyone,

I am reading Daniel Schroeder's Thermal Physics book. One phrase he uses that I find particular confusing is that a system has to "dump" entropy. As one example, in chapter 5 he briefly discusses how a fuel cell functions, stating, "In the process of producing this electrical work, the
fuel cell will also expel 49 kJ of waste heat, in order to get rid of the excess entropy
that was in the gases."

Why does something have to get rid of excess entropy, could someone help me in understanding why this is so?
 
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Bashyboy said:
Hello everyone,

I am reading Daniel Schroeder's Thermal Physics book. One phrase he uses that I find particular confusing is that a system has to "dump" entropy. As one example, in chapter 5 he briefly discusses how a fuel cell functions, stating, "In the process of producing this electrical work, the
fuel cell will also expel 49 kJ of waste heat, in order to get rid of the excess entropy
that was in the gases."

Why does something have to get rid of excess entropy, could someone help me in understanding why this is so?

Since entropy is not conserved it is difficult to conceptualize it as something physical. It is just a mathematical quantity associated with a thermodynamic state.

Re: "dumping entropy". This suggests that the entropy flows from the fuel cell to its surroundings. It doesn't. Energy flows from the fuel cell in the form of heat. Total entropy increases when heat flows due to a temperature difference. The entropy increase of the cold reservoir (surroundings) is not "dumped" by the fuel cell. It never was in the fuel cell. It only came into existence when the heat flow occurred from the fuel cell to the surroundings.

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