Why Do Tensile Cables Differ in Thickness?

  • Thread starter Thread starter jonnybmac
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Cables Tensile
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the differences in thickness between tensile cables and struts, particularly why cables are typically thinner when used as ties. Participants explore the mechanics of tension and compression, questioning the underlying principles that dictate these design choices.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the reason for thinner cables in tension is related to the inability to buckle or shear, given that steel has equal compressive and tensile strength.
  • Another participant expresses confusion over the advantages of thin wires for tying, seeking insights from those with practical experience.
  • A later reply suggests that when in tension, cables are only loaded axially, allowing them to utilize their strength based on force over cross-sectional area, while compression introduces buckling, limiting maximum strength.
  • Further elaboration includes references to bending equations and Euler's column formula, indicating that these rely on the moment of inertia, which is influenced by the shape of the member.
  • One participant proposes a hands-on approach, suggesting that experimenting with copper wire could provide practical insights into the behavior of materials under tension and compression.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion includes multiple competing views and remains unresolved, with participants expressing different levels of understanding and proposing various explanations for the observed differences in cable thickness.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding material properties and structural behavior are not explicitly stated, and the discussion does not resolve the mathematical implications of the proposed equations.

jonnybmac
Messages
13
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


Why are cables thin when used as ties? Why are they not equally as thick as say struts?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Is it because when in tension the tie cannot buckle? or because when in tension it cannot shear?


Steel has the same compressive strength as tensile, so why do they differ?

Many thanks for reading
 
Physics news on Phys.org
I have tried looking on several forums on the internet as well as some educational sites and I oddly have no clue why thin wires are better at tying. The question is now stuck on my mind.

Is there anyone working in the practical field who can shed some information on this?
 
lekh2003 said:
I have tried looking on several forums on the internet as well as some educational sites and I oddly have no clue why thin wires are better at tying. The question is now stuck on my mind.

Is there anyone working in the practical field who can shed some information on this?

I think I have cracked it thank you.

When in tension it is only loaded axially so the strength is force the over cross-section area, but in compression you have buckling that stops the member reaching its maximum strength, and that if you look at the bending equation or Euler's column formula, they both rely on the moment of inertia which is affected by shape.
 
jonnybmac said:
I think I have cracked it thank you.

When in tension it is only loaded axially so the strength is force the over cross-section area, but in compression you have buckling that stops the member reaching its maximum strength, and that if you look at the bending equation or Euler's column formula, they both rely on the moment of inertia which is affected by shape.
Thanks, I'll look into it.
 
You could look at the equations or you could play with some copper wire in your hands. See how it feels under tension and compression.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
24K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
11K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
Replies
7
Views
7K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
Replies
6
Views
2K