Why Do Two Different Inclined Planes Yield the Same Final Speed for a Mass?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two inclined planes with a mass released from different heights. The participants are exploring the relationship between potential energy, friction, and the final speeds of the mass as it travels down the planes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants consider the impact of potential energy and friction on the final speeds of the mass. Questions arise regarding the influence of path length and frictional forces, while others suggest that the problem can be analyzed without knowing the angles of the inclines.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants examining different aspects of the problem. There is a recognition that the angles of the inclines are not provided, leading to further questioning about the problem's setup and the implications for the final speeds.

Contextual Notes

Participants note discrepancies between the problem description and the accompanying diagram, suggesting that the interpretation of the problem may need clarification. The lack of specific angle measurements is also highlighted as a constraint in the analysis.

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Homework Statement


There are two fixed inclined planes as shown (ABC and DGEF). AB=DE=y, BC=EF=x. The coeff of friction between the wedges and the mass m is [tex]\mu[/tex].

A small mass M is released at the point A and reaches the bottom with a speed V1. The same block is released from point D and reaches F with speed V2. Which is the correct option:

V1>V2
V1<V2
V1=V2.


The Attempt at a Solution



I thought since the potential energy is same here in both cases, but the path length DGF is greater than AC, therefore more energy must be dissipated by friction and so V1>V2.

But the answer is V1=V2.

How?
 

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While the path lengths are different, so are the frictional forces, which depend on the angle. Figure out the work dissipated in each case.
 
But the angles arent given
 
chaoseverlasting said:
But the angles arent given
You don't need the angles--everything you need can be expressed in terms of X & Y.

chaoseverlasting said:

Homework Statement


There are two fixed inclined planes as shown (ABC and DGEF). AB=DE=y, BC=EF=x.
I just realized that this description does not match your diagram. In the diagram, you have both triangles with the same height (that would make the problem too easy!). Per your description, the second triangle must be shorter.

What's the correct description of the problem?
 

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