Why do two point charges with one being zero still exhibit a Coulomb force?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the question of whether two point charges, one of which has a magnitude of zero, can exert a Coulomb force on each other. Participants explore the implications of the Coulomb's law formula and the nature of electromagnetic interactions, particularly in relation to neutral and charged bodies.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why a point charge with zero magnitude and another with a non-zero charge would still exhibit a force, despite the formula suggesting no force should act due to multiplication by zero.
  • Another participant asserts that there is no Coulomb force between the two charges, reiterating that the product of the charges is zero.
  • A participant challenges the assertion of attraction, asking for clarification on what indicates such an attraction and whether it is electromagnetic.
  • There is a discussion about the attraction between a neutral piece of paper and a charged plastic rod, with one participant suggesting that induced dipoles in the paper create a net attractive force.
  • Another participant points out that the example of paper and a charged rod does not involve point charges.
  • A participant references a figure from a physics textbook that purportedly shows an attractive force between a neutral and positively charged point charge, leading to further inquiries about the specific figure number and edition differences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether a Coulomb force exists between a zero charge and a non-zero charge, with some asserting no force exists while others question this conclusion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of the interaction and the validity of the textbook reference.

Contextual Notes

There are references to different editions of a physics textbook, which may lead to discrepancies in figures and explanations. The discussion also highlights the distinction between point charges and other charged bodies, which may affect the interpretations of electromagnetic interactions.

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about coloumb?

i wonder why two point charge whose magnitude 0 and +q(or smt different from zero charge) exert a coloumb force to one another
.formula says there shoud be no force acting to each other(because of multiplication q1.q2=0) but there is an atraction between them .
if this force exist what the magnitude is.
thanks for your reply..
 
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cherev said:
i wonder why two point charge whose magnitude 0 and +q(or smt different from zero charge) exert a coloumb force to one another
They don't exert a Coloumb force on one another because, as you state below, q1*q2=0

.formula says there shoud be no force acting to each other(because of multiplication q1.q2=0) but there is an atraction between them .
no, there isn't.

if this force exist what the magnitude is.
thanks for your reply..
magnitude = 0
 
The electromagnetic interaction cannot occur between a charged and a neutral body.

What says there is an attraction between them? Does it explicitly say this attraction is electromagnetic?
 
but why neutral piece of paper and charged plastic rod attract each other
 
Induced dipoles in the paper.

The plastic rod (charged negative, IIRC) pushes electrons away from the near side of the paper, resulting in a shift of the charge centers with the positive charge center nearer the rod. This means the net force of attraction between the rod and the positive charges in the paper is slightly greater than the net force of repulsion between the rod and the negative charges of the paper. Hence, an overall net force.
 
cherev said:
but why neutral piece of paper and charged plastic rod attract each other

those are not point charges.
 
but ı have seen a figure on serway physics which shows atractive force between neutral and positive charged point charge on page 786
 
I'm looking at p786 and there isn't a diagram of point charges. I've got 6th edn, what's the figure number? Is it P25.30?
 
ı have 5th edition and its may be different because I am not in u.s.a but figure is showed in gauss law
 
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what number? There's a lot of figures in the section Gauss' Law!
 

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