Why Do We Include Coriolis Acceleration in Motion Equations?

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The discussion centers on the inclusion of Coriolis acceleration in motion equations, particularly in the context of different reference frames, including inertial and non-inertial frames. Participants explore the intuition behind adding Coriolis acceleration and the distinctions between various types of acceleration in different frames of reference.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks intuition on why Coriolis acceleration is added to the acceleration equation, expressing uncertainty about how acceleration behaves across different frames of reference.
  • Another participant distinguishes between "accelerating" reference frames and "noninertial" frames, noting that noninertial frames, such as rotating frames, exhibit varying Coriolis and centrifugal accelerations that differ in magnitude and direction.
  • A participant questions why fictitious forces in linearly accelerated frames are not treated similarly to Coriolis acceleration, referencing everyday experiences like being pushed back in a car.
  • A later reply clarifies that the fictitious forces in linearly accelerated frames are accounted for by the term aI in the original expression, but emphasizes that these forces are not referred to as Coriolis forces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of fictitious forces in various frames, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of including Coriolis acceleration in motion equations.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in understanding how different types of acceleration are treated in various frames, particularly regarding the definitions and distinctions between Coriolis acceleration and other fictitious forces.

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Let aS denote the acceleration of an object as measured in a reference frame S that accelerates relative to another reference frame with an acceleration aI. We then have that the absolute acceleration of the object as measured in an inertial frame of reference is given by:
a = aS + aI + aC
where a is the socalled coriolis acceleration, which I have a lot of trouble getting around. Can anyone give me some intuition on why you add this term other than the mathematics behind it. For me you could just as well add the accelerations like you add velocities but then of course, I don't really know if I have a lot of intuition as to how acceleration behaves as seen from different frames of reference.
 
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I think the problem is that there is a big difference between a reference frame that is "accelerating", which suggests a spatially fixed acceleration throughout, and one that is "noninertial", which allows the acceleration to vary with location. The classic example of a noninertial frame is a rotating frame, which is a frame in which you will see things like coriolis and centrifugal accelerations. These accelerations are not everywhere the same in either magnitude or direction, so are both to be distinguished from simple translational accelerations of the entire frame. In practice, the only accelerating frames you need to understand are those with a spatially fixed acceleration (if the observer is accelerating) and those that are rotating (if the observer is rotating). That's all an observer can (instantaneously) be doing that would affect Newton's laws.
 
okay but if the coriolis acceleration is only something which occurs in a rotating frame, why don't the equations of motion account for the fictitous forces that occur in a linearly accelerated frame - e.g. being pushed back in a car etc.
 
They do, that's the aI in your original expression-- but that kind of force is not called the coriolis force.
 

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