Why Does 1/3 ln((x+1/3)) Seem Incorrect for the Integral of 1/(3x+1)?

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The discussion revolves around the integral of the function 1/(3x+1) and the confusion regarding the expression 1/3 ln((x+1/3)). Participants are exploring the validity of different forms of the integral and the implications of using substitution methods.

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  • Participants are questioning the correctness of the expression 1/3 ln((x+1/3)) in relation to the integral of 1/(3x+1). There is discussion about using substitution u=x+1/3 and whether this leads to an incorrect conclusion. Some participants are also clarifying the relationship between different logarithmic forms and constants in indefinite integrals.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the nature of indefinite integrals and the equivalence of different expressions. There is acknowledgment of the need for careful consideration of logarithmic identities and the role of constants in integration.

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Participants are navigating potential misunderstandings related to the output from computational tools and the interpretation of results in the context of indefinite integrals. There is an emphasis on the importance of notation and clarity in mathematical expressions.

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alingy1 said:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integral+of+1/(3x+1)=1/3ln(x+1/3)

Why is 1/3 ln((x+1/3)) not right?

1/(3x+1)=(1/3)(1/(x+1/3))

Use substitution u=x+1/3, du=dx.

Why is this wrong?

##\frac{1}{3 ln(x+1/3)}## isn't right. ##\frac{1}{3} ln(x+1/3)## is right. Which one are your trying to write anyway? Use parentheses if you don't want to use TeX!
 
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Yes, the latter is the one! But, the computer program says it is wrong! Am I going crazy?
 
the wolfram alpha input (link) was: integral of 1/(3x+1)=1/3ln(x+1/3)
the output actually tells you why they think this relation is false.

Namely: ##\ln\big(3x+1\big)\neq\ln\big(x+\frac{1}{3}\big)##

But it doesn't have to be - equal, that is - since this is an indefinite integral, the two proposed solutions need only be the same to within an arbitrary constant. This is easy to show:

##\ln[x+\frac{1}{3}]=\ln[\frac{1}{3}(3x+1)]=\ln[3x+1]-\ln(3) = \ln[3x+1]+c##

... you have to be careful with indefinite integrals.
 
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Awesome! That's what's been missing! I spent an hour just on this!
 
Don't trust the machines.

You could have seen their result by using the substitution u=3x+1.
 
Exactly, both are two acceptable results!
 

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