Why does a balance scale equal out?

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of a traditional balance scale, specifically why it returns to a balanced position when equal weights are placed on both sides. Participants explore the forces and torques involved in maintaining equilibrium and the role of the center of mass.

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  • One participant questions why a balance scale returns to a balanced position instead of remaining wherever it is adjusted, seeking to understand the force that causes it to move back to center.
  • Another participant discusses the torque on the rod connecting the weights, indicating that the torque is influenced by the angle from the horizontal and the gravitational force acting on the weights.
  • A different participant suggests that the stability of the balance is due to the center of gravity being below the pivot point, similar to a pendulum seeking a straight downward position.
  • One participant clarifies that if the center of mass is below the pivot point, the system will return to equilibrium, and they provide a torque equation related to the distance of the center of mass from the pivot point.

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Participants express varying understandings of the mechanics involved, with some clarifying concepts while others pose questions. There is no consensus on a single explanation for the behavior of the balance scale.

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Some participants reference specific angles and torque calculations, but the discussion does not resolve the mathematical details or assumptions underlying these calculations.

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I've been trying to wrap my mind around how a balance works, and I come up with a question I need help with...
If you have a traditional balance scale, and you put perfectly equal weights on both sides, of course the scale balances the two out, and the two objects being weighed end-up at equal distances from the ground, like a teeter-totter.
Why does the balance equal out, instead of merely remaining wherever one puts it?
It seems to me that if the weights are equal and the distance from the fulcrum is equal, that if I were to exert force to raise one side of the balance (lowering the other), the weights would remain wherever I adjusted them, instead of moving back to the point where the lever is once more parallel. What force causes the movement back to "center"?
 
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lets assume the balance is not at equilibtium because you pushed one weight down, the rod connecting the two weights has the degree [tex]\Theta[/tex] from the horizon.
no, mg acts downward, meaning that between the rod and the force for the upper weight you got [tex]90-\Theta[/tex] and for the lower weight its [tex]90+\Theta[/tex].
now the torque on the rod is the product of r cross F ([tex]r x F[/tex]) so its size is [tex]N=r*mg*sin(90+\Theta)-r*mg*sin(90-\Theta)[/tex] when r is the distance of weights from the rotation axis.

EDIT: sorry i just saw this one give N=0... I am going to sleep right now, i'll give you the right answer tomorrow incase no one else comes first.
 
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Chaos Pariah said:
I've been trying to wrap my mind around how a balance works, and I come up with a question I need help with...
If you have a traditional balance scale, and you put perfectly equal weights on both sides, of course the scale balances the two out, and the two objects being weighed end-up at equal distances from the ground, like a teeter-totter.
Why does the balance equal out, instead of merely remaining wherever one puts it?
It seems to me that if the weights are equal and the distance from the fulcrum is equal, that if I were to exert force to raise one side of the balance (lowering the other), the weights would remain wherever I adjusted them, instead of moving back to the point where the lever is once more parallel. What force causes the movement back to "center"?
For the same reason it balances empty (when you calibrate it). The stability is due to the center of gravity being below the pivot point. This is why a pendulum seeks a straight downward position.
 
yeah, ok, i found the problem, if you got a rod with two equal masses on it, and the pivot point is on the center of mass, as in the exercise i tried to solve, the rod will be balanced for every angle.
if the center of mass is below the pivot point, it will indid return to [tex]\Theta=0[/tex] for equilibrium.
because the torque is [tex]2mgaSin(\Theta)[/tex] when "a" is the distance of the center of mass from the pivot point.
if you want instructions on how i got this solution id be happy to write it for you.
 
Thanks!

Thanks, everyone, for your help in explaining this to me. Actually, when I first found this forum, I searched for a thread that dealt with this question and came up empty - I guess I need to refine my skills in composing such searches. It turns out that immediately after posting my question, I was curious as to what others were asking about. I scrolled down the list of threads and found that someone had asked the identical question and had already received several very good answers. In any case, I now understand why the balance works. Thank you all very much for your efforts toward my continued education!
 

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