Why Does an Accelerometer Show Zero During a Ball's Flight?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the behavior of an accelerometer attached to a cricket ball during its flight and the expected acceleration traces during throwing and catching phases. Participants explore the differences in acceleration readings during free fall and when the ball is being thrown or caught, as well as the implications for a pendulum's motion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their expectation of the acceleration trace showing two distinct humps corresponding to the upward throw and downward catch phases.
  • Another participant suggests that the observed trace may be a single large hump, indicating confusion about the relationship between acceleration and velocity.
  • Some participants propose that the accelerometer measures proper acceleration, which would be zero during free fall, while others discuss the constant acceleration due to gravity.
  • There is mention of the complexity of a pendulum's motion, with one participant noting the dual forces of gravity and tension affecting the readings.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about whether they are confusing acceleration with velocity, prompting further exploration of how the acceleration curve should look for both the ball and a pendulum.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the accelerometer does not measure gravitational acceleration but rather the acceleration due to other forces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the expected acceleration traces and the relationship between acceleration and velocity. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation of the accelerometer's readings during the ball's flight or the pendulum's motion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants acknowledge the potential confusion between acceleration and velocity, and there are unresolved questions about the effects of air resistance and the role of tension in the pendulum's motion.

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I have a cricket ball and I place a dual axis accelerometer on it and throw is up in the air and catch it repeatedly. What would I expect its acceleration trace to look like. I am getting myself confused as I think there is an error in my trace.
 
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You would expect acceleration upwards during both the throwing phases. What are you seeing?
 
I was expecting acceleration to increase as i throw the ball upwards, that then to slowly decrease and come to zero when it stops at maximum height before acceleration increases in the opposite direction then slows down and come to zero when it stops in my hand so like two camel humps is that correct. My trace instead gives just one big hump which is confusing me. Also what would acceleration trace look like if I put my sensor on a pendulum?
 
Sam Smith said:
I was expecting acceleration to increase as i throw the ball upwards, that then to slowly decrease and come to zero when it stops at maximum height before acceleration increases in the opposite direction then slows down and come to zero when it stops in my hand so like two camel humps is that correct. My trace instead gives just one big hump which is confusing me. Also what would acceleration trace look like if I put my sensor on a pendulum?

Are you sure you're not confusing velocity and acceleration?
 
Possibly. How would you expect the acceleration curve to look for a ball being thrown and a pendulum? I would like to take a look at a graph so I can work through it but I can't find a simple graph of it. For example on my dual axis how would the vertical and horizontal graphs look?
 
Sam Smith said:
Possibly. How would you expect the acceleration curve to look for a ball being thrown and a pendulum? I would like to take a look at a graph so I can work through it but I can't find a simple graph of it. For example on my dual axis how would the vertical and horizontal graphs look?

Okay, let me rephrase what I said. When you say "acceleration", you are thinking about velocity. You are confusing these two concepts. The acceleration due to gravity is constant.

A pendulum is more complicated, because it has two forces acting on it: gravity and tension in the string.
 
Yes I think you may be write my accelerometer measures acceleration in terms of g. If that's the case have I described hwo I would expect the graph to look correctly.,
 
Sam Smith said:
I was expecting acceleration to increase as i throw the ball upwards, that then to slowly decrease and come to zero when it stops at maximum height before acceleration increases in the opposite direction then slows down and come to zero when it stops in my hand

Any time that the ball is not being accelerated by your hand it is in free fall and the acceleration (as measured by an accelerometer) is zero.
 
In terms of the pendulum oi I ignore the tension of the arm and consider simply the motion if for example I had a robotic arm and it was moving as a pendulum how would I expect it to look
 
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Sam Smith said:
In terms of the pendulum oi I ignore the tension of the arm and consider simply the motion if for example I had a robotic arm and it was moving as a pendulum how would I expect it to look
You can't ignore the tension in the arm (you just replaced the simple arm with a more complicated looking one that does exactly the same thing), but in either case, the acceleration detected oscillates from g to a little below g to a little above g over and over again.
 
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PeroK said:
The acceleration due to gravity is constant.
An acclerometer doesn't measure the acceleration due to gravity, just proper acceleration due to other forces. As Nugatory said, it is zero during flight (ignoring air resistance), and more than 1g upwards during throwing up and catching.
 

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