Why does coninuity of f important when changing variables from (x,y) -> (u,v))

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving double integrals of a continuous function f over a triangular region defined by the vertices (0,0), (0,1), and (1,0). The original poster is tasked with demonstrating the equivalence of a double integral of f(x+y) with respect to area over the region R and a single integral of uf(u) with respect to u from 0 to 1, while exploring the implications of changing variables from (x,y) to (u,v).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need for a second variable v and suggest various approaches to define it, including plotting lines of constant u in the xy-plane. There are attempts to clarify how to derive the bounds for u and v based on the triangular region.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided guidance on how to visualize the problem and suggested possible definitions for the variable v. There is an ongoing exploration of the limits of integration and the relationship between the variables in the context of the triangular region.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the continuity of f ensures its integrability, although its relevance to the variable change process is questioned. The discussion also highlights the need for a clear expression for v based on the geometry of the region R.

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Homework Statement


Let f be continuous on [0,1] and let R be the triangular region with vertices (0,0), (0,1), and (1,0). Show that
double integrals of f(x+y) w.r.t dA over region R equals single integral of uf(u) w.r.t du from 0 to 1.

Homework Equations


jacobian method

The Attempt at a Solution


i made u = x+y but I can't solve a determinant of just a row.
 
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Come up with a second variable v.
 
vela said:
Come up with a second variable v.

Where would I start?
 
Try plotting lines of constant u in the xy-plane. A convenient choice for v would be such that lines of constant v are perpendicular to those.
 
vela said:
Try plotting lines of constant u in the xy-plane. A convenient choice for v would be such that lines of constant v are perpendicular to those.

How can I plot lines of constant u i thought you can only do that uv plane.
 
u=constant => x+y=constant
 
As the others have said, because this is a two dimensional problem, you must have two variables. Take u= x+ y, v= y, for example. That will still give a double integral but now, since f is a function of u only, the first integral, with respect to v, can be done giving "uf(u)du".
 
HallsofIvy said:
As the others have said, because this is a two dimensional problem, you must have two variables. Take u= x+ y, v= y, for example. That will still give a double integral but now, since f is a function of u only, the first integral, with respect to v, can be done giving "uf(u)du".


So, the bounds for v are 0\leqv\lequ? I don't understand how they got they got the bounds for u and v. I understand we need an expression for v but I don't know how to come up with that or where to start since u = x+y. Also, are we supposed to come up with an expression visually for v by looking at the region R with vertices (0,0), (1,0), and (0,1).
 
That's why I suggested you plot lines of constant u in the xy-plane. It's pretty clear from that what the limits of u are. For instance, the line u=1, which in terms of x and y is x+y=1, runs right along the hypotenuse of the triangular region.

If you choose v so that lines of constant v are perpendicular to lines of constant u (in the xy-plane), you're just rotating the coordinate system, and you'd determine the limits for v the way you usually do.
 
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You are integrating over a triangle, in the xy-plane, with vertices at (0, 0), (1, 0), and (0, 1). The boundaries are the lines y= 0 (joining (0, 0) and (1, 0)), x= 0 (joining (0, 0) and (0, 1)), and x+ y= 1 (joining (1, 0) and (0, 1)). If you let u= x+ y and v= y, then u= x+ v so x= u- v, y= v.

in the uv-plane, the line x= 0 becomes u- v= 0 or v= u. The line y= 0 becomes v= 0 and the line x+y= 1 becomes u= 1. That is a triangle with vertices at (0, 0), (1, 0), and (1, 1).
\int_{x=0}^1\int_{y= 0}^{1- x} f(x+y)dydx
becomes
\int_{u= 0}^1\int_{v= 0}^u f(u)dvdu

By the way- you titled this thread "Why does coninuity of f important when changing variables from (x,y) -> (u,v))". The continuity of f has nothing to do with changing variables- it just guarentees that f is integrable.
 
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