Transforming Double Integral with Change of Variables

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around evaluating a double integral involving the function sin(x+y)/(x+y) over a specified region in the xy-plane. The original poster is exploring the use of a change of variables to simplify the integral, particularly focusing on the transformation related to the sum x+y.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various potential substitutions for the change of variables, particularly considering u = sin(x+y) and v = (x+y), but express difficulties in finding a suitable transformation. Suggestions include sketching the region D and examining lines of constant v to guide the choice of u.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaged in exploring different approaches to the problem. Some have sketched the region to visualize the transformation better, while others are questioning the necessity of including trigonometric functions in the transformation. There is a recognition of the need for a simpler choice for u, and some participants have proposed specific forms for u based on their observations.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions regarding the transformation and the nature of the integral, particularly the challenges posed by the sine function in the integrand. Participants are also reflecting on their previous learning experiences regarding change of variables.

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Homework Statement


Evaluate the integral

∫∫sin(x+y)/(x+y) dydx over the region D

whereD⊆R2 is bounded by x+y=1, x+y=2, x-axis, and y-axis.

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I think that I need to use a change of variables but can not find any change of variables that work. One thing I thought would work is using u = sin(x+y) and v = (x+y) but finding the jacobian doesn't work with the u transformation.
This leads me to think I might need to do a taylor expansion instead.

Any help with a recommended change of variables or a step in the right way would be appreciated.
 
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Furbishkov said:
One thing I thought would work is using u = sin(x+y) and v = (x+y)
Try something much simpler, but along similar lines.
 
Did you make a sketch of D? If not, do so. Add to it lines of constant v=x+y to see why this is a good choice. That might give you an idea of what to use for u.
 
I sketched D and put in the constant v=x+y but still can not see any good change of variable for u. The sin is really causing me problems. I constantly think I need to make my "u' have the sin term in it but can not come up with anything that works
 
Furbishkov said:
I sketched D and put in the constant v=x+y but still can not see any good change of variable for u. The sin is really causing me problems. I constantly think I need to make my "u' have the sin term in it but can not come up with anything that works
Given the substitution v=x+y, what is the most obvious way to define u? (It does not involve a trig function.)
 
You don't want the sine in the transformation. That's what haruspex was implying when he said to try something simpler.
 
  1. haruspex said:
    Given the substitution v=x+y, what is the most obvious way to define u? (It does not involve a trig function.)
  2. Looking at my graph is seems to be convenient if I define u to be a constant, possibly u = 2? ... When I learned change of variables I was told I would never need to come up with the change of variable myself so that is why I'm having some troubles. I appreciate the help.
 
Furbishkov said:
  1. Looking at my graph is seems to be convenient if I define u to be a constant, possibly u = 2? ... When I learned change of variables I was told I would never need to come up with the change of variable myself so that is why I'm having some troubles. I appreciate the help.
What expression for u would result in the u, v coordinate system being Cartesian?
 
haruspex said:
What expression for u would result in the u, v coordinate system being Cartesian?
I still am completely stuck. Any way I look at it I get stuck with something I can't integrate with the sin in the integral. I am working off the assumption that v = x+y is correct. This would make my integral something like ∫ sin(v)/v . My last thought is to make u = 1/x+y. But this still seems to give me some integral that I can't solve...
 
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Furbishkov said:
I still am completely stuck. Any way I look at it I get stuck with something I can't integrate with the sin in the integral. I am working off the assumption that v = x+y is correct. This would make my integral something like ∫ sin(v)/v . My last thought is to make u = 1/x+y. But this still seems to give me some integral that I can't solve...
Isn't u=y-x the most obvious choice, by a mile?
If you think that doesn't help, integrate wrt u first, making sure you get the limits right. They depend on v.
 
  • #11
That change of variable makes sense when I look on it on a graph, thanks. Now for my bounds I get, 1≤v≤2 and -v≤u≤v . I worked out the integral to just become sin(v). Thanks for the help!
 

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