Why Does Constant DC Current Not Imply Changing Electron Velocity?

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The discussion revolves around the apparent contradiction between constant DC current in a conductor and the behavior of electron velocity under the influence of an electric field. Participants explore the implications of constant current, electric fields, and forces on electron motion, touching on concepts from classical mechanics and the Drude Model of conduction.

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  • One participant presents a series of equations suggesting that constant DC current implies a constant rate of charge flow (dq/dt), leading to confusion about electron acceleration under an electric field.
  • Another participant suggests consulting the Drude Model of conduction for insights into electron behavior in conductors.
  • A different participant explains that conductors have resistance, requiring an electric field to maintain current, which generates heat through power loss.
  • One participant uses an analogy of a car to illustrate that while an initial force is needed to accelerate electrons, in a frictionless scenario, no force is required to maintain constant velocity, paralleling the need for a continuous electric field in real conductors due to resistance.
  • Another participant notes that the inertia of electrons involves not only their mass but also the need to establish a magnetic field as they gain velocity, which complicates the understanding of their motion.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between constant current, electric fields, and electron acceleration. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing explanations and analogies presented.

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Participants do not fully resolve the assumptions regarding the behavior of electrons under constant DC current, the role of electric fields, and the implications of resistance in conductors. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of classical mechanics and electrical conduction models.

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dV/dx=E
E*q=F=m*a
dq/dt=I
v/R=I

Say you have a situation where you have a constant DC current in a conductor. Applying the above equations to this situations seems to lead to a contradiction, so I’m confused.

-So if you have constant DC current then that indicates dq/dt is a constant
-If dq/dt is a constant the velocity of the electrons is not changing
-However in order to have a current you need a voltage difference and if you have a voltage difference you have an electric field.
-If you apply an electric field applied to electrons, you have a non-zero force on them. The force indicates that the electrons are accelerating.
-If the electors are accelerating this indicates their velocity is not constant, and hence dq/dt would not be a constant, which contradicts the first statement above.

Where did I go wrong in my reasoning?
 
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yabb dabba do said:
Say you have a situation where you have a constant DC current in a conductor.
Conductors have resistance, that is the reciprocal of the conductance. An electric field is needed to move current through the resistance. The voltage drop along the conductor, multiplied by the current, is the power generated as heat.
 
If you imagine the electron as a car driving along a road, it required some force (axial E-field) to accelerate it first of all, but in a perfect vacuum, in a frictionless world, it would require no force (axial E-field) to keep it going. This is what Newton said. In practice, the car experiences some air resistance and friction, equivalent to electrical resistance, so there is a need for a continuing small force (axial E-field) to keep it moving at constant velocity.
During the initial acceleration, by the way, the inertia of the electron is not only created by its mass, but also its need to build a magnetic field as it gains velocity. When we try to stop the electron, the energy stored in its KE and in its magnetic field is given back to us, and is seen in the form of a forward voltage kick, which will often do work in the form of a spark.
 
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