Why Does Differentiating ln(sec^2(x)) Yield an Unexpected Result?

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function y = ln(sec²(x)). Participants are exploring the differentiation process and addressing an unexpected result in their calculations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to differentiate the function using various methods, including the chain rule and rewriting in terms of sine and cosine. Questions arise regarding the derivative of sec²(x) and the relationship between the derivatives of sec(x) and tan(x).

Discussion Status

There is ongoing clarification regarding notational issues and the correct application of differentiation rules. Some participants provide corrections and insights into the differentiation process, while others express confusion about the relationships between the functions involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of their assumptions about derivatives, particularly concerning the functions sec(x) and tan(x). There is a recognition of the potential for misunderstanding in the notation used in their attempts.

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Homework Statement


find dy/dx for y=ln(sec^(2)x)


Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


1.)1/(sec(x)^2)*dy/dx sec(x)^2

2.)tan(x)/sec(x)^2

3.)i put it in terms of sin and cos...
sin(x)/cos(x)*cos(x)^2/1

4.)i canceled the cos(x) in the denominator and came out with sin(x)cos(x)
the answer i am supposed to get is 2tan(x). where did i go wrong?
 
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The derivative of (sec(x))^2 is NOT tan(x).

Edit: Btw, 1/(sec(x)^2)*dy/dx sec(x)^2, should actually be (1/(sec(x)^2))*d(sec(x)^2)/dx
 
Solving by chain rule, you get-:

d(ln(sec^2(x)))/d(sec^2(x)) * d(sec^2(x))/d(sec x) * d(sec x)/d(x)

Solving finally, you get 2tanx
 
oh, right sorry about that on the edit.
and what is the derivative of (sec(x))^2, because i know that the derivative of tan(x) is (sec(x))^2 so i assumed it would work the other way around
 
trajan22 said:
oh, right sorry about that on the edit.
and what is the derivative of (sec(x))^2, because i know that the derivative of tan(x) is (sec(x))^2 so i assumed it would work the other way around
no,the other way back is by integrating the derivative to get the original function
derivative of (sec x)^2 is 2secx.secxtanx
 
oh ok i get it now, thanks for your help. easy mistake
 
Notational fix:

1.)1/(sec(x)^2)*dy/dx sec(x)^2

This is wrong. What you meant to say was something like

[tex]\frac{1}{\sec^2 x} \cdot \frac{d}{dx}\left( \sec^2 x \right)[/tex]

or

[tex]\frac{1}{\sec^2 x} \cdot \frac{d(\sec^2 x)}{dx}[/tex]

or

[tex]\frac{1}{\sec^2 x} \cdot \frac{du}{dx}<br /> \quad \quad (u = \sec^2 x)[/tex]

(In particular, you did not mean to put a y in there. You've already defined [itex]y=\ln \sec^2 x[/itex], and that's certainly not what you wanted in this particular expression)
 

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